Fastest F1 Car ever!

[govind112]

What combination would you use to make the fastest f1 car for example

Chassis
Engine
DDD
F Duct
Slicks or Grooves
Front End
Rear End
Would you have the Winglets and addon wings on the sidepods?

Just curious what you could come up with ...

[Giblet]

This has been discussed in a few different threads, and you need to be specific.

Fastest in kilometers in a straight line? That would the specially modified Honda F1 car that hit over 400km/h in a straight line.

Do you mean a car that can get around Monza the quickest, or reach the highest top speed at the end of the straight.

A quick search of the forum will tell you this has been discussed to death.

[govind112]

fine which would create the most downforce around a track

[megz]

Last year probably had some of the highest downforce levels of all time in F1.

Say we had rear wing rules from 2003
Front wing rules from 2009
Ground effect skirts and venturi tunnels charged with exhaust gases from the engine
Either an unrestricted boost 1.5L Turbo engine from the 80's or an unlimited V10 for said engine
Plus KERS and a blown wing
Super soft qualifying tyres.

I think that might be a pretty quick car...

[Tim.Wright]

Basically if you have everything which was banned in the last 10 years you will have a fast car.

If you have everything which was banned in the last 20 years you will have a faster car.

See where I'm going?

Its a pretty pointless discussion if you ask me.


If you build a car to the rules in 1950 rules you could have a quad turbo v16 if you wanted with every aeroydynamic aid imaginable. Of course this would be the fastest F1 car. Question answered.

Tim

[Paul]

Brabham fans definitely. Maybe even a mini-blackhole for infinite downforce.

[Byronrhys]

OTT of the pole, I think the 2008's look better than the 2009's but I think the 2010's look better than the 2008's by a mile.

[mx_tifoso]

I think this might be the first a la carte thread for what the fastest car would be. It's usually picking one from the history books.

Basically if you have everything which was banned in the last 10 years you will have a fast car.

If you have everything which was banned in the last 20 years you will have a faster car.

See where I'm going?

Its a pretty pointless discussion if you ask me.


If you build a car to the rules in 1950 rules you could have a quad turbo v16 if you wanted with every aeroydynamic aid imaginable. Of course this would be the fastest F1 car. Question answered.

Tim

And that is why certain technology gets banned. If some of it wasn't banned the cars would be too fast and unsafe for humans to be piloting them.

[Byronrhys]

^ Thats all true, but the FIA do ban some things on occasions where we see no reason, ie. the Active ride height, Mass damper and the DDD (IMO).

[PlatinumZealot]

I would add

KERS of 2011
Front wings from 2010
EBD from 2010
F-duct from 2010
Diffuser from 2010
Tyres of 2009
Engine covers of 2008
Noses of 2008
Engines of 2004
Rear Wings of (2003 was it?) the year with the flexible rear wing?
540kg weight with driver
2 meter wide cars.

[marcush.]

you are assuming that all components would give a net benefit when combined...wich is not necessarily true.

example: an outwash endplate does not make much sense with a front wing not the widest part of the car .before the wide wing was specified the endplates design was to duct air between the front tyres.

[Giblet]

^ Thats all true, but the FIA do ban some things on occasions where we see no reason, ie. the Active ride height, Mass damper and the DDD (IMO).

Here's why in part active ride height was banned. When it failed, this happened.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3HsAFz5cEs[/youtube]

When the system fails, and since mild hydraulic systems often fail in even modern day F1, it could be catastrophic.

[PlatinumZealot]

you are assuming that all components would give a net benefit when combined...wich is not necessarily true.

example: an outwash endplate does not make much sense with a front wing not the widest part of the car .before the wide wing was specified the endplates design was to duct air between the front tyres.

That is why I use the 2010 front wing..it is the widest body part of the car.



I believe we can combine the elements to good effect.

You control the air-flow by changing the flaps and wings so you can decide how the parts affect each other. Of course you won't just slap everything together in one big mish mash.

[xxChrisxx]

Here's why in part active ride height was banned. When it failed, this happened

When the system fails, and since mild hydraulic systems often fail in even modern day F1, it could be catastrophic.

This was, is, and always will be a bullshit copout reason for banning anything, especially active ride.

Any suspension failure in Eau Rouge (or indeed any very high speed, high downforce corner) will cause an accident of similar magnitude to that. And lets not forget springs dampers and uprights can and do fail (hell even wings fail). Also the reasons why it looks so horrific is because of the lack of foresight of sticking a wall on the outside of Eau Rouge, which was promptly removed in later years, and no tire barrier.

Active ride cars had normal springs and dampers for when the system lost pressure or when the engine was off. A failure at almost any other point wouldn't have resulted in as large an accident.

Take it for nothing more than it was, a knee jerk reaction and a backdoor attempt to level the playing field for anyone who's car was not a Williams.


You clearly don't like active ride, which is fair enough. But don't cherry pick the single incident to demonstrate how bad a crash can be. When it's one of the most dangerous corners, before any safety measures were added to it. Also the fact that ANY suspension failure would have resulted in the same thing makes the argument totally moot.

[marcush.]

you cannot have both cakes and eat them at once..

Some teams did not change their approach with endplates and suddenly lost out at the beginning of 2009....and voila all teams now converge towards a common solution more or less.
A different front wing reg and different front tyre size /shape7track will mandate different designs .
You got 1400HP? who would think a lot about reducing drag? you need all the downforce you can get simple as that.