Driver Etiquettes

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F1 is a wonderful sport in terms of professionalism of all people who take part in them. With Bernie a noticeable exception.

This is something that is synonymous with other professional sports such as tennis and golf. People speak their mind but mind their language.

Then I read this:
“It didn’t really make much difference. I was seventh; so seventh or eighth, it’s pretty crap either way. That’s racing. I think it was fair.”

This is not the first time a driver has used bordering language in interviews, but should this be put up in F1. F1 is not NASCAR where such language is common.

I hope this will turn out to be a bashing thread

Ashley
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The top drivers always complain when they have bad results.
So, stop looking for all the mistakes of Hamilton.
You better check out Alonso, man. He's the one who shouls have been doing Nascar along with Raikonen (The latter finally realised it)

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WilliamsF1 wrote:I hope this will turn out to be a bashing thread
Freudian slip? Or are you actually serious about that part?

And honestly, crap is not a very offensive word. In this situation it was referring to what the driver considered a poor finishing position. It wasn't directed at the sport, it was directed at a person. How is this offensive to you? Would it have been better to say "seventh or eighth, it's pretty poopy"?

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volarchico wrote:
WilliamsF1 wrote:I hope this will turn out to be a bashing thread
Freudian slip? Or are you actually serious about that part?

And honestly, crap is not a very offensive word. In this situation it was referring to what the driver considered a poor finishing position. It wasn't directed at the sport, it was directed at a person. How is this offensive to you? Would it have been better to say "seventh or eighth, it's pretty poopy"?
I wouldn't be surprised if this is intentional, you only need to look at his post history to see how WilliamsF1 is aligned (i.e. fervently anti-McLaren / anti-Hamilton)

Also, it's a nonsense. "Crap" was perhaps a taboo word when you were either 5 years old, or living in the 1940s, but not any more.
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:lol: In a quirk of timing, Webber's just made Hamilton comparatively sound like a choir boy!

Webber in China, replying to Irvine's question..
"Absolutely f****** ludicrous question mate! You've known me long enough, you've known me long enough. Five wins in a row? Yeah but that doesn't mean... he's not just beaten me. He's beaten everyone. So no one will turn up then! We may as well all stay at home."
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Personally, i have nothing wrong with it. If it's passion, personality, or whatever, let them say what they feel.
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WilliamsF1 wrote:Then I read this:
“It didn’t really make much difference. I was seventh; so seventh or eighth, it’s pretty crap either way. That’s racing. I think it was fair.”
I'm not going to mention any names, so there is no need for the usual fanboys to come skipping to anyone's defence.

I remember that I used to get told when someone resorts to the use of profanity, it shows a lack of intelligence. Probably right in the vast majority of cases.

I think that some of the modern breed of F1 drivers are nothing more than spoilt brats, particularly when they have had everything gifted on a silver platter. When you look at the drivers that have had to work hard and make severe sacrifices (along with their families) they are a lot more rounded and mature, and seem to take defeat as one of those things.

There was one driver, who has come into F1 via one route, I thought was going to burst into tears during an interview after the Malaysian GP and they just looked like they were sulking, even though it was their own stupidity that ruined their race.

Contrast that with another driver, who really had to work to get where they are now, they were a lot more pragmatic and readily admitted their mistake without sounding like a petulant child.

I point out that I am not a fan of either driver mentioned.

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Hangaku wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if this is intentional, you only need to look at his post history to see how WilliamsF1 is aligned (i.e. fervently anti-McLaren / anti-Hamilton)

Also, it's a nonsense. "Crap" was perhaps a taboo word when you were either 5 years old, or living in the 1940s, but not any more.

This is one case where the post is not meant to be anti-McLaren / anti-Hamilton though I belong to that camp.
I seriously would like to discuss the etiquettes of drivers in a professional sport in this case.

Do we conclude that Profanity in todays professional sport is acceptable?
If so what is the limit?

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So we can't be anti McLaren /Hamilton but we can freely bash anyone else?

I welcome an opportunity for some bashing towards another team and driver. I am getting really angry and bored reading post after post of Ferrari bashing.

Either bash eveyone and every team or no one at all, that's what I say.

And stop using "bash" so many times! :mrgreen:

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I dunno; I've heard quite a lot of inappropriate comments in F1 over the years.

From James Hunt's use of "Bullsh!t" in the BBC commentary back in 89, to DC telling Louise Goodman that he imagines the pit lans speed limiter is one of her nipples, there have always been unnecessarily suggestive or rude outbursts in F1.

Then, there was the case of Massa Vs Alonso back in 2007 ... if that argument had been broadcast in English rather than Spanish, I have a suspicion that both drivers would have been SEVERELY reprimanded.

People say stupid things in the heat of the moment : sometimes, I rather like to be reminded that these are human beings rather than mindless PR automatons.

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Pup
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This is a poopy thread. F1 ain't cricket and thank god for that.

bot6
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I find this thread quite funny.

What happened here is Hamilton made a mistake and got penalised for it. He did not bitch about the penalty, he owned up to it, said it was fair that he had been penalised. And that in the grand scheme of things, he wasn't going to make a big deal out of it.

Yes, he said "crap" in doing so. But aside from an unfortunate choice in words, the content of Hamilton's discourse here is pretty honorable. He's owning up to his mistake instead of playing the victim.

How is that bad?

As a point of comparison, no one cried wolf when Alonso said "this is f*cking ridiculous" on the air in the middle of a Grand Prix. Just as profane, but the context was quite different...

Pup
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Funny, too that it was started by a Montoya fan...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-zEnO_KwDg[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcGXT_7Dpiw[/youtube]

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and that's being kind to Montoya.

Apparantly he said some very naughty words to his team at Magny Cours in 2003.

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andrew wrote:I think that some of the modern breed of F1 drivers are nothing more than spoilt brats, particularly when they have had everything gifted on a silver platter. When you look at the drivers that have had to work hard and make severe sacrifices (along with their families) they are a lot more rounded and mature, and seem to take defeat as one of those things.
Well, Nigel Mansell is probably the epitome of the latter type of driver (he sold everything to keep racing). I can't think of a less rounded individual (other than his waistline!) less likely to "take defeat as one of those things". He was a moaning, petulant, whinging git. Probably the best balls-out racer of his generation though!

Most F1 drivers these days are where they are because someone has bankrolled them from an early age. There's a lot of talent driving around in "lower" formulae that will never make the big time because they have no decent funding. Lots of people have arrived in F1 and shone like a broken lamp - there only because someone stumped up a load of cash to buy them a seat.

Guys who have spent their lives working towards the goal of being World Champion do not sit there and smile sweetly when things have gone wrong. They're annoyed and they sulk and they take that energy and turn it in to performance. If they don't then they'll never be champions.

The list of guys who have pouted and sulked after bad races is long and it's full of world champions. Piquet, Senna, Prost, Mansell, Schumacher, Hill, Villeneuve, Alonso, Hamilton, Button - have all been notably grumpy after bad races. All of them, bar Mansell I think, have had someone behind them to get where they were, even if it was just a family member with some spare cash. Indeed, Hamilton's dad supported him by doing multiple jobs at various times - it wasn't all Ron's money that paved the road with gold as Hamilton didn't join the McLaren programme until he was 12 or 13 years old - he'd been racing for several years by then:
His father told him that he would support his racing career as long as he worked hard at school. Supporting his son became problematic, which caused him to take redundancy from his position as an IT Manager and became a contractor. He was sometimes employed in up to three jobs at a time, while still managing to find enough time to attend all Hamilton's races. (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Hamilton)
I know lots of people - you included I think - dislike Hamilton because he arrived on the back of McLaren support (so a double whammy in many eyes). But when he arrived he actually delivered. He went toe to toe with the defending double champion and came away with the results. Then he went and won the title in only his second season. That's not the result of rich backing, it's the result of talent honed to a fine skill by long years of practise and training. Sure, the money helps (see my second para above), but on its own it's not enough.

And let's not forget - he got McLaren backing in part because, at an awards ceremony for something he'd already achieved, he went up to Ron Dennis and told him that he would be driving for him someday! I think he was about 10 years old at the time. That's the sort of internal drive and belief (arrogance if you will) that wins titles and leads to guys in victory-capable cars getting arsey when things go wrong.
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It's Hamilton, different standard applies.
Don't mind Kimi, webber, vettel, alonso, button, and all the other foul mouths.
It's cool when they curse; but hamilton now, hmmm... different standards for some reason.
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