Silly Season 2018/2019

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by adrianjordan » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:40 pm

Big Tea wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:15 pm
just wondering aloud like, but if Red Bull were to buy up either Fi or Williams (if they lose Strol money, they are in danger) what could they do with the engine contract?
Would it have to stay with FI? or is it transferable to Red Bull?
I am sure that Mclaren have lawyers looking into that exact scenario!!!
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Phil » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:56 pm

I think the problem with Sainz/Redbull is that it can only be decided in October and Renault cant afford to wait that long without considering other options...
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by epo » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:39 pm

Phil wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:56 pm
I think the problem with Sainz/Redbull is that it can only be decided in October and Renault cant afford to wait that long without considering other options...
Renault have to pay for Sainz but they probably don't want too. He will not get a RB seat as long Max and Marko are there, so TR is his ony hope there. Renault should better go for Ocon as Sainz simply is not faster then the Hulk.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by NL_Fer » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:44 pm

Autobild Motorsport says that Stroll has bought Force India today, after a controlled bankruptcy.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by HPD » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:07 pm

NL_Fer wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:44 pm
Autobild Motorsport says that Stroll has bought Force India today, after a controlled bankruptcy.
Yes. And what happens if Mr. Stroll wants his son Lance Stroll to run in FI "immediately" in 2018?

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Big Tea » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:58 pm

HPD wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:07 pm
NL_Fer wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:44 pm
Autobild Motorsport says that Stroll has bought Force India today, after a controlled bankruptcy.
Yes. And what happens if Mr. Stroll wants his son Lance Stroll to run in FI "immediately" in 2018?
It probably depends on what sort of deal he did with the existing sponsors.
It will also mean that he will have to honor any deal he did with Williams too.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by alexx_88 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:25 pm

adrianjordan wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:40 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:15 pm
what could they do with the engine contract?
Would it have to stay with FI? or is it transferable to Red Bull?
I am sure that Mclaren have lawyers looking into that exact scenario!!!
I really hope that McLaren have accepted the engine is only one small part of their issues and no matter what they put in the back of that car, it's not going to make it win races.

I think the engine deals are tied to the team, but I think there are ways in which you could force the pu manufacturer 's hand and transfer it across. I doubt anyone would block McLaren attempting that. Red bull on the other hand, I think it's pretty clear they'd be very much up there with a ferrari or Mercedes pu.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by adrianjordan » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:32 pm

alexx_88 wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:25 pm
adrianjordan wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:40 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:15 pm
what could they do with the engine contract?
Would it have to stay with FI? or is it transferable to Red Bull?
I am sure that Mclaren have lawyers looking into that exact scenario!!!
I really hope that McLaren have accepted the engine is only one small part of their issues and no matter what they put in the back of that car, it's not going to make it win races.

I think the engine deals are tied to the team, but I think there are ways in which you could force the pu manufacturer 's hand and transfer it across. I doubt anyone would block McLaren attempting that. Red bull on the other hand, I think it's pretty clear they'd be very much up there with a ferrari or Mercedes pu.
Oh I'm sure, but regardless of car performance, a Merc PU is still a better unit than a Renault at the moment.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Vasconia » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:35 am

epo wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:39 pm
Phil wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:56 pm
I think the problem with Sainz/Redbull is that it can only be decided in October and Renault cant afford to wait that long without considering other options...
Renault have to pay for Sainz but they probably don't want too. He will not get a RB seat as long Max and Marko are there, so TR is his ony hope there. Renault should better go for Ocon as Sainz simply is not faster then the Hulk.
But its pretty clear that Ricciardo will stay in RB as Ferrari and Mercedes are not an option now. Renault has said more than once that they are very happy with Sainz. He has pushed Nico to show his best. During the last 3-4 races Sainz was being as fast as him and in some races faster, his progression was clear though the last two races have been quite complicated for him. His jon on the last qualy was great considering Nico was using the new front wing.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by garygph » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:16 am

I read that Martin Brundle feels the chances of Alonso going back to Ferrari next year are on due to change of leadership.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by iotar__ » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:35 am

Sainz's 1 year loan farce shows Renault's approach to F1. He is a good fit to their Toyota style formula: mediocre team - mediocre but marketing fit drivers, not achieving anything, shifting goalposts, maybe we should get better ones and change approach, oops too late. They get headlines which is what matters, racing - not so much. Same goes for Ocon, both headlines and mediocrity.

I noticed that last two races by Leclerc, Silverstone when one corner was too difficult of a task and Germany's mess basically didn't happen in Only Good News Marketing (TM) :D media. I think it's a mistake to ignore them, he's making his media based case of replacing Raikkonen stronger that way.

As for Ferrari if F1 were a sport based on merit and driven by sporting achievements we would have had Grosjean - Bottas line up for the last 4 seasons, much more interesting F1 and every chance for them to win something.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by alexx_88 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:58 am

garygph wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:16 am
I read that Martin Brundle feels the chances of Alonso going back to Ferrari next year are on due to change of leadership.
I read that bit of the article a bit differently, sort of like one last desperate push from Alonso, rather than Ferrari's new boss giving any indication of wanting to change their lineup.

Latest news that Stroll has bought FI and Jr is moving into one of the seats in 2018 shakes a lot of things up. Mainly for the worse, as it brings yet another driver into the better teams, crowding the market even more. I don't understand the Ocon to Renault move, who's going to take over at Mercedes after Hamilton retires?

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by FrukostScones » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:36 am

garygph wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:16 am
I read that Martin Brundle feels the chances of Alonso going back to Ferrari next year are on due to change of leadership.
Brundle the good old VET hater.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by FrukostScones » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:40 am

Ferrari:
VET/RAI
Merc:
HAM/BOT
Rb:
VES/RIC
Renault:
ALO/OCO
McLaren:
SAI/NOR
Findia:
STR/PER
Williams:
RUS/VAN
Sauber:
ERI/GIO
Tr:
GAS/BUE
Haas:
MAG/LEC
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by alexx_88 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:48 am

Where's Hulk?