Red Bull RB22

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matteosc
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AR3-GP wrote:
16 Jul 2026, 21:31
matteosc wrote:
16 Jul 2026, 19:02

Only issue I see with that is that S2 would be a recharging sector, so being in theory able to go faster may not pay...
According to Stella, he sees a strong correlation between the fastest cars (Mercedes/Ferrari) and downforce. Simply put he said the fastest cars have the most downforce.
That is a very general statement. And it is true in general, with the caveat of being able to generate that downforce efficiently, but there is also so much more than that!
My point is that in this (unfortunate) era, and in a track like Spa, S2 may be raced at a slower pace because of energy recovering. So having more downforce in those corners may not be that useful, since they may take them at a lower speed to recover more energy.

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AR3-GP wrote:
16 Jul 2026, 21:31
matteosc wrote:
16 Jul 2026, 19:02

Only issue I see with that is that S2 would be a recharging sector, so being in theory able to go faster may not pay...
According to Stella, he sees a strong correlation between the fastest cars (Mercedes/Ferrari) and downforce. Simply put he said the fastest cars have the most downforce.
It must be the water!

Clever guy that Stella, lots of wisdom in that statement.

All jokes aside, F1 has been downforce driven for many many decades and altough engines play a part, the biggest factor is nearly always downforce. Which is why there are big differences between teams that share the same engines.

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AR3-GP
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No cooling openings aside from the rear exit.
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AR3-GP
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AR3-GP wrote:
09 Jul 2026, 23:28
B-sport is and has always been the best for motorsport content. [-o<

The video shows very clearly why Red Bull's rear wing is more difficult to close than Ferraris.

“It's a mechanical problem that we spotted after the accident in Silverstone,” said Wache. However, he said some elements of the wing – most likely related to the activation mechanism – were being made “stronger” and that its discussions with the FIA had left the governing body happy with what it was planning to do.
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/red- ... rena-wing/
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venkyhere wrote:
16 Jul 2026, 18:54
matteosc wrote:
16 Jul 2026, 16:59
No "macarena-style" rear wing for Red Bull this race.
My guess is that Redbull would go back to their bread-n-butter setup from pre-2022 days - high DF and higher rake relative to others => sacrifice S1 and S3, dominate S2 + bus stop chicane. The PU is not good enough anyway to be competitive on straights despite SLM ; however, energy recovery through slow stuff would be better (at the bare minimum, better than Silverstone) and reduce the 'straightline deficit'. With this car, P5 would be a good result.
Happened exactly like how I predicted. Carrying the most DF of all the big four teams. Will be a sitting duck on the S1 and S3 straights. However, lower tyre deg (S2 being the main candidate for graining/thermal) might be a consolation.

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venkyhere wrote:
18 Jul 2026, 19:41
Happened exactly like how I predicted. Carrying the most DF of all the big four teams. Will be a sitting duck on the S1 and S3 straights. However, lower tyre deg (S2 being the main candidate for graining/thermal) might be a consolation.
This wasn't intentional. They expected to have the macarena wing. The med/high downforce wing is just coincidence. It's the only other wing they could revert to on short notice. It doesn't do them any favors here.
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AR3-GP wrote:
18 Jul 2026, 19:42
venkyhere wrote:
18 Jul 2026, 19:41
Happened exactly like how I predicted. Carrying the most DF of all the big four teams. Will be a sitting duck on the S1 and S3 straights. However, lower tyre deg (S2 being the main candidate for graining/thermal) might be a consolation.
This wasn't intentional. They expected to have the macarena wing. The med/high downforce wing is just coincidence. It's the only other wing they could revert to on short notice. It doesn't do them any favors here.
Yeah agreed. They had to remove it due to Max' crash at Silverstone and the FIA inquiries behind closed doors from my opinion, and will reintroduce it when they feel confident it is safe.

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venkyhere
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AR3-GP wrote:
18 Jul 2026, 19:42
venkyhere wrote:
18 Jul 2026, 19:41
Happened exactly like how I predicted. Carrying the most DF of all the big four teams. Will be a sitting duck on the S1 and S3 straights. However, lower tyre deg (S2 being the main candidate for graining/thermal) might be a consolation.
This wasn't intentional. They expected to have the macarena wing. The med/high downforce wing is just coincidence. It's the only other wing they could revert to on short notice. It doesn't do them any favors here.
Yes I know. That's why I posted that this would be their 'fallback' strategy for Spa. They anyway won't have drag low enough to compete with the W17 or SF26 on the straights, with the conventional wing, so why bother aiming for a low drag setup ? Go back to the pre-2022 'high downforce for Spa' counterintuitive isochronal choice.