Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by godlameroso » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:56 pm

nico5 wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:54 pm
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Based on?
Less car that interacts with the air. What's better for low drag than less car?
Yeah, but they're trading a relatively small portion of bodywork with two pretty strong vortices, so it's probably more downforce-centered rather than drag reduction. Although the Ferrari-style bargeboard upgrade might mitigate that a bit.
Looks like a trade off, they seem to be confident in getting more from the bargeboards themselves than the air manipulation towards the top of the diffuser the full side pod deflector provides.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:59 pm

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Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:05 am
Thanks :) . plus, what about the new suspension? what is it? I'm loving this enormous development war. who'll be faster this weekend? we have no idea!!
My pleasure! I have been searching for more front suspension-related photos. In the meantime, here are a few more general photos:

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by izzy » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:07 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:59 pm
izzy wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:05 am

My pleasure! I have been searching for more front suspension-related photos. In the meantime, here are a few more general photos:
I love those 5 louvres, presumably they must generate a mother of a vortex down the side

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by FrukostScones » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:00 pm

what are they trying to hide, achieve with tyre blankets to scrutineering?
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by dans79 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:09 pm

FrukostScones wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:00 pm
what are they trying to hide, achieve with tyre blankets to scrutineering?
Nothing, they routinely have the tire blankets on. for example here in Singapore.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by JordanMugen » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:06 am

zibby43 wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:59 pm
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How long have Mercedes had an outwash front wing for? :shock:

I never noticed before. :oops:

I see even Williams are also testing an outwash front wing at Suzuka. It seems like Red Bull and Renault are the only holdout who are not running a substantially outwash front wing.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by izzy » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:19 am

So, .989 after the qualy sims, looks like the upgrade works! They showed what looked like Valtteri dragging the rear of the plank through 130R, so perhaps the new suspension is a bit special...

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by atanatizante » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:27 am

FrukostScones wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:00 pm
what are they trying to hide, achieve with tyre blankets to scrutineering?
I think they have a new "brake tin can pick up point" (had I`m not wrong) for the front and rear upper wishbone but I`m struggling to find a photo in order to demonstrate that ... maybe someone could help me with this one ...
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by dans79 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:54 am

izzy wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:19 am
So, .989 after the qualy sims, looks like the upgrade works! They showed what looked like Valtteri dragging the rear of the plank through 130R, so perhaps the new suspension is a bit special...
Both cars could be seen doing that through 130r.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:59 am

JordanMugen wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:06 am
How long have Mercedes had an outwash front wing for? :shock:

I never noticed before. :oops:

I see even Williams are also testing an outwash front wing at Suzuka. It seems like Red Bull and Renault are the only holdout who are not running a substantially outwash front wing.
They've had this flap arrangement (with a slightly shorter chord length on the uppermost flaps) since Germany. Although it "looks" like an outwash front wing, the outermost edges of the flaps (where they meet the end plate) do not drop down the end plate nearly as dramatically as on the Ferrari.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Just_a_fan » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:26 am

zibby43 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:59 am
JordanMugen wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:06 am
How long have Mercedes had an outwash front wing for? :shock:

I never noticed before. :oops:

I see even Williams are also testing an outwash front wing at Suzuka. It seems like Red Bull and Renault are the only holdout who are not running a substantially outwash front wing.
They've had this flap arrangement (with a slightly shorter chord length on the uppermost flaps) since Germany. Although it "looks" like an outwash front wing, the outermost edges of the flaps (where they meet the end plate) do not drop down the end plate nearly as dramatically as on the Ferrari.

https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... wing-1.jpg

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5DD45097
Mercedes runs much more camber in the outer section too.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by atanatizante » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:50 am

Interesting to watch how Merc F1 is testing & developing car`s components:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqR6zNyUsU
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by izzy » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:55 am

going back to AMuS' rake and rear ride height measurements in March, the W10 had 84+20=104mm of rear clearance at pitlane speed. So if they've reduced that to zero at speed, with rubbing on the ground through 130R, that's what the suspension is doing.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by LM10 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:54 am

F1Krof wrote:
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That's a pretty major bargeboard upgrade. Turns out they didn't (totally) shift their resources to next season yet. This isn't a reaction to Ferrari's recent form as it surely took longer than 2.5 weeks (time since Singapore when Ferrari upgraded their car) to make this upgrade ready.
I wouldn't say major. It's a 'meh' update as far as I can see it.
It surely is a major one as a package. They made changes to the sidepod, bargeboard and also front wing. If that's not major, I don't know what is.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by mclaren111 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:05 pm

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