2019 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, 20-22 September

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Unc1eM0nty wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 21:11
godlameroso wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 16:03
Verstappen nor Red Bull will make the same mistake twice.
It wasn't a mistake as such, they had to avoid the undercut so pitted early themselves, if they hadn't Lewis would have, Mercedes were faster simple as, they could have made either senario work

If the lead car does't pull away then they're not the fastest
You only need to be fast enough.
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godlameroso wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 02:07
Unc1eM0nty wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 21:11
godlameroso wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 16:03
Verstappen nor Red Bull will make the same mistake twice.
It wasn't a mistake as such, they had to avoid the undercut so pitted early themselves, if they hadn't Lewis would have, Mercedes were faster simple as, they could have made either senario work

If the lead car does't pull away then they're not the fastest
You only need to be fast enough.
And on that day Max wasn't!
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zibby43 wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 21:51
Tyre stress level1 ...really? That sounds unrealistic.

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I think mercedes takes this one quali and race, RB second, ferrari third. Obvious reasons.

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Juzh wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 12:03
I think mercedes takes this one quali and race, RB second, ferrari third. Obvious reasons.
I wouldn't just count everybody else out just yet. Ferrari with that Qualy Rocket Mode can cause some concern, remember when Bottas was saying they were losing 4 tenths to Ferrari in Monaco on the straights. If they can get in front good luck overtaking them.

Also, RBR they're very quick in qualy, maybe quicker then Mercs.

Plus, we will for sure have Safety Cars deployed which will stir the race.
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dans79 wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 03:45
godlameroso wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 02:07
Unc1eM0nty wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 21:11


It wasn't a mistake as such, they had to avoid the undercut so pitted early themselves, if they hadn't Lewis would have, Mercedes were faster simple as, they could have made either senario work

If the lead car does't pull away then they're not the fastest
You only need to be fast enough.
And on that day Max wasn't!
He was very fast for a one stopper (too fast actually as his tyres fell off the cliff a lap or 4/5 from the end). Lewis had more pace but he was (going to be) on a 2 stopper. It is hard to say who had more pace would they have been on the same strategy, in the end they weren't (going to be) on the same pitstop strategy. Yes in the very end it went to a 2 stopper for Max as well (but they fully intended on a 1 stopper).

It was sound strategy by Mercedes (and exceptional driving by Lewis, you always have to make that exceptionally clear on this forum, otherwise! May I in the future please leave that out? I am mightily impressed by Lewis and have always been, to me het is on of the goats so please read any comment by me in that line of thought) trying to overtake Max on a hard track with little pace difference versus investing the additional stop and getting back on the tail with a mighty pace difference.

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F1Krof wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 12:25
Juzh wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 12:03
I think mercedes takes this one quali and race, RB second, ferrari third. Obvious reasons.
I wouldn't just count everybody else out just yet. Ferrari with that Qualy Rocket Mode can cause some concern, remember when Bottas was saying they were losing 4 tenths to Ferrari in Monaco on the straights.
Didn't help them much in hungary, or monaco though.

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F1Krof wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 12:25
Juzh wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 12:03
I think mercedes takes this one quali and race, RB second, ferrari third. Obvious reasons.
I wouldn't just count everybody else out just yet. Ferrari with that Qualy Rocket Mode can cause some concern, remember when Bottas was saying they were losing 4 tenths to Ferrari in Monaco on the straights. If they can get in front good luck overtaking them.

Also, RBR they're very quick in qualy, maybe quicker then Mercs.

Plus, we will for sure have Safety Cars deployed which will stir the race.
Quicker than Mercedes in qualifying? I guess I have been watching a different season altogether 0.o

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Is this the Singapore or Hungary thread, not sure anymore 😜
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Should be about Singapore but agreed, lets stay on this topic! I think we are due a very tense and close qualy. Apparently Ferrari is bringing a big aero upgrade.

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Sieper wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 13:02
dans79 wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 03:45
godlameroso wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 02:07


You only need to be fast enough.
And on that day Max wasn't!
He was very fast for a one stopper (too fast actually as his tyres fell off the cliff a lap or 4/5 from the end). Lewis had more pace but he was (going to be) on a 2 stopper. It is hard to say who had more pace would they have been on the same strategy, in the end they weren't (going to be) on the same pitstop strategy. Yes in the very end it went to a 2 stopper for Max as well (but they fully intended on a 1 stopper).
This is inaccurate. HAM could have made it on a 1-stop based on the tyre gap (7 laps!) he built over VER. He would have only had to complete 40-odd laps on the hard tyres which would have been easily doable considering that Mercedes seemed to handle the tyres better than the RB that weekend and that VER's tyres fell off the cliff c. 5-6 laps from the end.

It was quite evident in the first stint that HAM was marginally faster than VER, given HAM spent nearly the entire first stint behind VER only to back out to cool his car... and was always able to close out the gap at will.

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Monaco has more mid speed corners. IIRC Mercedes was fastest in sector 1. Red Bull seems to be better at hairpins and very slow corners. While Mercedes is better at slightly faster more twisty bits.

I think Mercedes advantage will be in the final sector. Whereas Red Bull will be faster in sector 1, sector 2 is the ballsy sector so it's a toss up, and the driver makes the difference.
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godlameroso wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 17:06
Monaco has more mid speed corners. IIRC Mercedes was fastest in sector 1. Red Bull seems to be better at hairpins and very slow corners. While Mercedes is better at slightly faster more twisty bits.

I think Mercedes advantage will be in the final sector. Whereas Red Bull will be faster in sector 1, sector 2 is the ballsy sector so it's a toss up, and the driver makes the difference.
Nope. In Monaco Mercedes was faster... everywhere.
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Hope Ferrari's upgrade works