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[avada]

You forget they only decided in late 2013 that they were going back into F1 and we're begged to go in for 2015 by McLaren, when Honda wanted to wait another year. McLaren, who's Merc contract had expired in 2014, needed a PU.

More like early 2013 this article is from may 16, referring to a recent announcement. But of course this is just the announcement, the agreement happened some time before this.

But even if they only had 2014 to develop, with the unlimited development the result would still have been well below acceptable.

I really don't and will never understand the ragebait view behind this. Honda were totally unprepared, they admitted as much, brought in a year earlier by McLaren than they really wanted and then hamstrung by restrictive regs, but within 4 years they not only improved but managed to SURPASS both Renault and Ferrari (who never left btw) and then from 2021 to 2025 had the best PU on the field. Why is this achievement completely ignored just to flame their first couple of years (again, while handcuffed behind restrictive regs)?
They CLEARLY have the capability to do great things, and quickly. PLEASE move on lol.

Where do you see rage-bait here?
Their performance then and now was sub-par, abysmal even, considering the dacades of motorsport experience. Even the fundamentals were wrong, that's why the regs were so limiting to them.
The fact that they were able to deliver after a lot of help and time spent don't excuse or wash away those 4-5 years.
And they did it again, almost exactly the same way. Apparently they just as arrogant as they were in the 2010s. They couldn't be bothered with giving enough attention and assigning the proper people that the task required.

"Move on" you say. But Honda didn't, they made the same mistakes as they did then. They won't was away this blemish any-time soon. It might take decades.

[dren]

Not so sure I’d call it a mistake. It is how they operate. They’ll get there, they always do.

[diffuser]

You guys don't get tired of reiterating the same things over and over?

The upgrades will come and we'll see what they are like. We don’t have to keep guessing with little to no data.

[zoroastar]

probably couldve predicted this much

[zoroastar]

Not so sure I’d call it a mistake. It is how they operate. They’ll get there, they always do.

they may need to start adding that into their contracts with the teams they are supplying, so everyone knows up front that its just "how they operate". that way no one will be upset when theyre uncompetitive for the first few years of their partnerships haha

[avada]

Not so sure I’d call it a mistake. It is how they operate. They’ll get there, they always do.

Development by massive failure and utter humiliation. Brilliant.

[hollus]

And that’s ragebait allright.

Folks, if you have nothing NEW to say, it is best to say nothing. We’ll know soon enough.
But the forum needs better posts, not more same-same posts.