2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

This forum contains threads to discuss teams themselves. Anything not technical about the cars, including restructuring, performances etc belongs here.
maxxer
maxxer
1
Joined: 13 May 2013, 12:01

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

Chuckjr wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:17
maxxer wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 01:36
The team made so many mistakes this weekend from the pitwall
Not telling hamilton that a faster car was coming up
Starting Charles on used softs
The pitlane speed i also find strange but ok might have been hamilton his own mistake
Overall the strategy cost them alot of points again
I would even say when hamilton was losing out on verstappen to swap them and see earlier what Charles could do
Did they really start Chuck on USED softs??? Holy god. Is this even a f-ing racing team? Jesus. wtf.
Yes only Hamilton had a new set but they just use same strategy for both

rbirules
rbirules
2
Joined: 08 Mar 2023, 21:10

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

maxxer wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:43
Chuckjr wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:17
maxxer wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 01:36
The team made so many mistakes this weekend from the pitwall
Not telling hamilton that a faster car was coming up
Starting Charles on used softs
The pitlane speed i also find strange but ok might have been hamilton his own mistake
Overall the strategy cost them alot of points again
I would even say when hamilton was losing out on verstappen to swap them and see earlier what Charles could do
Did they really start Chuck on USED softs??? Holy god. Is this even a f-ing racing team? Jesus. wtf.
Yes only Hamilton had a new set but they just use same strategy for both
Charles' options were used softs (3 laps on them) or used mediums (8 laps on them) while starting on the dirty side of the track. (Or start on the hard tire from second.) What option was better than used softs?

maxxer
maxxer
1
Joined: 13 May 2013, 12:01

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

rbirules wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:54
maxxer wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:43
Chuckjr wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:17


Did they really start Chuck on USED softs??? Holy god. Is this even a f-ing racing team? Jesus. wtf.
Yes only Hamilton had a new set but they just use same strategy for both
Charles' options were used softs (3 laps on them) or used mediums (8 laps on them) while starting on the dirty side of the track. (Or start on the hard tire from second.) What option was better than used softs?
As you say it was the dirty side anyway so start on new hards and give options for later in the race.
It was anyway clear that he would lose places being on the dirty side of the track so even with new softs he would have

rbirules
rbirules
2
Joined: 08 Mar 2023, 21:10

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

maxxer wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 03:18
rbirules wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:54
maxxer wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:43

Yes only Hamilton had a new set but they just use same strategy for both
Charles' options were used softs (3 laps on them) or used mediums (8 laps on them) while starting on the dirty side of the track. (Or start on the hard tire from second.) What option was better than used softs?
As you say it was the dirty side anyway so start on new hards and give options for later in the race.
It was anyway clear that he would lose places being on the dirty side of the track so even with new softs he would have
Max went from 4th to 3rd at the start from the dirty side, with new mediums. Why was it a given Charles would lose places, "even with new softs"?

Starting on hards really boxes you in strategy wise, can't react to any early SC or VSC.

User avatar
Chuckjr
41
Joined: 24 Feb 2012, 08:34
Location: USA

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

rbirules wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:54
maxxer wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:43
Chuckjr wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 02:17


Did they really start Chuck on USED softs??? Holy god. Is this even a f-ing racing team? Jesus. wtf.
Yes only Hamilton had a new set but they just use same strategy for both
Charles' options were used softs (3 laps on them) or used mediums (8 laps on them) while starting on the dirty side of the track. (Or start on the hard tire from second.) What option was better than used softs?
Starting on USED softs is THE WORST possible option. THE WORST. Start Chuck on hards and split the damn strategies between the drivers and adapt based on what happens. Starts are no longer reliable for any team. My god. Why is this so hard for Ferrari to figure out? Even Ronald McDonald school of racing would have known this. What is happening. ](*,)

There comes a point when a team deserves to lose. Ferrari did everything in their power today to lose. They are trying to equate the drivers, and they need to just go with dry data options and develop from there. Give the team a damn chance. Both on softs is a loser strategy. I cant believe they pay these people so much to make such obviously bad decisions. They absolutely deserve a horrible finish today.
Watching F1 since 1986.

MattLightBlue
MattLightBlue
0
Joined: 28 Mar 2024, 12:19
Location: Emilia Romagna, Italy

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

The team made mistakes this weekend, sure. The biggest factor was car not on pace though. Strategy is always great when you have a good car.
Starting in 3 laps softs was the right call, the error was using all mediums in FPs and quali. Nobody expected hard compound to be this bad, and Ferrari was the worst of top teams with C3s.

FittingMechanics
FittingMechanics
23
Joined: 19 Feb 2019, 12:10

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

Leclerc shot himself in the foot by being forced to do two runs on mediums in Q1 and then two runs on new softs in Q2.

User avatar
Artur Craft
40
Joined: 05 Feb 2010, 15:50

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

FittingMechanics wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 08:14
Leclerc shot himself in the foot by being forced to do two runs on mediums in Q1 and then two runs on new softs in Q2.
I think it was not his fault. On Q2, Hadjar spun in front of him and ruined his lap with yellow flags.

Xyz22
Xyz22
125
Joined: 16 Feb 2022, 20:05

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

McLaren on the hard was around 0.6s/0.7s quicker. Shocking, shocking performance.

avada
avada
0
Joined: 04 Jul 2026, 15:17

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

Darth-Piekus wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 22:08
deadhead wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 21:31
Ford has noting to do with that RBR engine.

Let’s see what happens with that ADUO2 engine but if McLaren are back on the playing ground this is not looking good.
On their official site they mention that the engine was a collaboration between RB and Ford and they did not do it alone.

But on to the main matter at hand. Ferrari keep racing like amateurs. Instead of helping Lewis they've costed him 20 points from amateurish mistakes. They have to understand that if they want to be champions they have to back up the person who knows how to build a championship winning team.

It sounds harsh on Charles but he's 9 years at Ferrari and has given nothing.
Jean Todt? Ross Brawn? Hamilton never did any of the sort.

"It sounds harsh on Charles but he's 9 years at Ferrari and has given nothing."

You mean besides delivering results with bad cars and despite strategic mistakes from the team and some outright betrayals. (Like Vettel's last win and Sainz's first)

User avatar
venkyhere
45
Joined: 10 Feb 2024, 06:17

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

When is this thread going to let up from the constant driver-vs-driver ying-yang, ping-pong ?
Give it a rest guys.
Ferrari lost the chance for a podium due to two reasons :
- starting on softs gave zero advantage (LeClerc lost positions actually, that helped Hamilton gain one place by default)
- completely blocked in stint 1 behind Verstappen. Both drivers were not brave enough to 'do something' and were waiting for 'Max will make a mistake under pressure from us'. It never happened.
- pace on H tyre was worst of the top four teams

I don't understand why so much blame is going towards 'strategy calls' ; because this weekend, the pitwall didn't 'do a Ferrari' on their drivers. It was blunders from race engineer (grid drop penalty) and blunders from driver (pitlane speeding) that resulted in the P4-P5.

The pitwall cannot predict :
- that leClerc would have a horrible start
- that Hamilton would struggle to get past Verstappen
- that the undercut-grabbed positional gain on Verstappen would be lost in 1 lap of H running
- that Hamilton would overspeed in pitlane and suffer a 5s penalty
- that blue flags issue would make make the midfielders drive like militants and prevent Hamilton (alongwith Antonelli) chase and catch up Verstappen in the final 10 laps of the race.

I am not able to understand why (in forums and media) there is so much blame hurled at the strategy team. They didn't do anything catastrophic this weekend.

Hammerfist
Hammerfist
0
Joined: 06 Apr 2017, 04:18

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

It was a collaboration of failures. Everyone made mistakes and lady luck did not help them at all. All too evident when hamilton just failed to overtake antonelli before the safety car line. But the general feeling i have is that its the sane old ferrari and ferrari is gonna do those things. I don’t consider hamilton to be a serious championship contender and i even have less hope in ferrari winning the constructors. Just too many mistakes and the trend is too strong to be reversed imo. Hopefully they can grab a few more wins this season but i dont know how you stop the comedy of errors anytime soon.

User avatar
atanatizante
134
Joined: 10 Mar 2011, 15:33

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

VERSTAPPEN’S PASS ON HAMILTON: WHAT THE TELEMETRY SHOWS AND HOW THE BATTERY DEFICIT DEVELOPED

Max Verstappen’s pass on Lewis Hamilton into Turn 1 at the beginning of lap 16 of the Hungarian Grand Prix initially looked like a straightforward combination of greater straight-line speed and later braking. However, the onboard footage, Sky Sports F1 analysis and publicly available telemetry suggest a more complex explanation involving energy management and Hamilton’s driving sequence on the preceding laps.

1. The initial theory: Hamilton used boost to clear a backmarker

On lap 14, his first lap on the Hard tyres after leaving the pits, Hamilton had to overtake Arvid Lindblad. During the live commentary, David Croft suggested that Lewis might have used “a little press of the boost” — a brief override of the automatic deployment strategy — to complete the pass quickly and reach cleaner air.

Crofty did not present this as a confirmed fact; he explicitly said “maybe”. Nevertheless, the theory was plausible because additional electrical deployment would have consumed part of the available battery energy.

2. Anthony Davidson’s correction: it was not the boost button

Anthony Davidson’s subsequent analysis substantially changes that interpretation. According to Davidson, one of the first thoughts — including from Race Control — was that Hamilton had pressed the boost button. A closer examination of his steering-wheel inputs showed that Lewis had actually operated the Straight Mode control and pressed it again before braking for Turn 12, allowing the active aerodynamic elements to return to their cornering configuration.

In other words, the steering-wheel input was not an activation of boost but an early deactivation of Straight Mode. Davidson also explained that Hamilton was not suffering from the suspected battery deficit at that particular point in the lap.

The problem apparently developed afterwards. The pass on the backmarker unfolded somewhat unexpectedly, Hamilton took a different line through Turn 14 and remained off the throttle for longer than usual. According to Davidson, this allowed the turbo to de-spool. When Hamilton returned to the throttle, bringing the power unit back into its operating range placed an additional demand on the battery. As a result, he no longer had the amount of electrical power normally available and became vulnerable to Verstappen.

Crofty and Davidson therefore do not provide two equally supported explanations. Crofty offered a live hypothesis; Davidson subsequently corrected it using the onboard footage and Hamilton’s steering-wheel inputs.

3. What Hamilton’s laps 14 and 15 show

The telemetry comparison clearly identifies the two laps:

– Hamilton lap 14: 1:43.085, red — an out-lap affected by the pit exit and traffic;
– Hamilton lap 15: 1:24.937, white — a representative racing lap.

[IMAGE 1 – Full telemetry comparison between Hamilton’s lap 14 (red) and lap 15 (white)]

ImageImage

Lap 14 cannot be compared point by point with lap 15 because it is an out-lap and the public telemetry alignment is imperfect. Nevertheless, the throttle trace in the final part of lap 14 shows significant variation, a longer period off throttle and a progressive return to power. This is consistent with Davidson’s description of an unusual line, turbo de-spooling and additional battery demand when Hamilton accelerated again.

[IMAGE 2 – Detailed view of the final part of Hamilton’s laps 14 and 15]

ImageImage

However, the public data does not include battery state of charge, MGU-K deployment or harvesting power, or the selected ERS map. It supports Davidson’s description of Hamilton’s driving profile but cannot directly display the corresponding energy flow.

4. Verstappen’s advantage on the overtaking lap

The direct comparison on lap 16 provides the most important evidence:

– Hamilton: 1:26.092, red;
– Verstappen: 1:24.985, blue.

[IMAGE 3 – Full telemetry comparison between Hamilton and Verstappen on lap 16]

ImageImage

On the approach to Turn 1, Verstappen has an advantage of approximately 9–11 kph. He also remains at full throttle for significantly longer, whereas Hamilton lifts earlier. Max therefore possessed a meaningful longitudinal advantage before the final braking phase began.

[IMAGE 4 – Detailed view of the straight and the approach to Turn 1 on lap 16]

ImageImage

The pass was not produced solely by Verstappen’s bravery under braking. He arrived at the braking zone with an advantage already established on the straight, while Hamilton had less electrical power available and had therefore become vulnerable.

5. Did Verstappen use super-clipping?

To investigate whether Max employed a different energy strategy, his laps 13 and 16 can be compared:

– lap 13: 1:25.957, blue;
– lap 16: 1:24.985, orange.

[IMAGE 5 – Full telemetry comparison between Verstappen’s laps 13 and 16]

ImageImage

Super-clipping occurs when the MGU-K harvests energy while the driver remains at full throttle. Part of the power that would otherwise reach the rear wheels is converted into electrical energy. Consequently, the car’s speed may plateau or even fall despite a 100% throttle trace.

[IMAGE 6 – Detailed comparison of Verstappen’s speed, throttle, RPM and gear traces on the straight towards Turn 1]

ImageImage

On lap 16, Verstappen reaches a lower speed on the straight than on lap 13 despite remaining at full throttle. This profile is consistent either with stronger super-clipping or with reduced electrical deployment. Public telemetry cannot reliably distinguish between those two possibilities.

Crucially, any super-clipping would not itself have created Max’s speed advantage over Hamilton. By definition, super-clipping sacrifices power at the wheels in order to harvest energy. The comparison instead suggests that Verstappen was running a different energy-management strategy and that, despite being slower than on his own lap 13, he still retained an advantage of approximately 9–11 kph over Lewis.

It is plausible that Verstappen’s available energy and deployment strategy were prepared during his lap-15 out-lap, but the public telemetry cannot demonstrate this directly.

6. Conclusion

The strongest reconstruction is therefore as follows:

– Hamilton’s supposed boost activation was, according to Davidson, an initial misidentification of the Straight Mode control;
– Lewis’s energy deficit developed later, following an unexpected pass, a different line through Turn 14 and a longer period off throttle;
– returning to power after the turbo had de-spooled placed an additional demand on the battery;
– at the beginning of lap 16, Hamilton did not have his usual electrical power available;
– Verstappen approached Turn 1 approximately 9–11km/h faster and remained at full throttle for longer;
– Max’s braking and execution completed a pass whose advantage had already been established on the straight.

The explanation is therefore more nuanced than either “Max simply braked later” or “Lewis consumed his boost while overtaking a backmarker”. The evidence points towards a combination of Hamilton’s temporary energy deficit, Verstappen’s different deployment/harvesting strategy and Max’s decisive execution in the braking zone.

One limitation must remain explicit: publicly available telemetry does not include battery state of charge or detailed ERS energy flows. It can reveal the consequences and establish whether expert explanations are consistent with the speed, throttle and RPM traces, but it cannot directly prove how much electrical energy was harvested or deployed.
"I don`t have all the answers. Try Google!"
Jesus

User avatar
AR3-GP
632
Joined: 06 Jul 2021, 01:22

Re: 2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

Post

atanatizante wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 22:10
[cut]
Your thesis presentation is based on telemetry that exhibits severe data corruption issues. There's nothing to extract from it.
Beware of T-Rex