2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by mclaren111 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:10 am

Is there a test again after Hungary like last year ??

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by _cerber1 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:40 am

mclaren111 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:10 am
Is there a test again after Hungary like last year ??
No, there will be no more tests during the season.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:43 am

_cerber1 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:58 am
Already working on Hungary. =D>

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by diffuser » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:12 pm

nzjrs wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:13 am
RonDennis wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:38 pm
nzjrs wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:12 pm


He discusses the first years of the hybrids.
So what? The rule was introduced in 2018. It's no longer allowed.

https://www.racefans.net/2018/02/26/cus ... ld-closer/
Interesting. Do you disagree with his summary that the engines are opererated by the manufacturer and not team personnel, and that the acceptible risk envelope for customers is different than for manufacturers. Did you enjoy the episode?
I think using higher PU modes more often is a two sided bladed. On the one side you get more power for a longer period. On the other that more power for longer period leads you to have a higher risk of failure.

I remember the year Hamilton lost to Rosberg. Hamilton ask why he was having all the PU issue and nobody else running a Merc PU was. He was making use of the higher PU modes more often...

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:23 pm

diffuser wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:12 pm
nzjrs wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:13 am
RonDennis wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:38 pm


So what? The rule was introduced in 2018. It's no longer allowed.

https://www.racefans.net/2018/02/26/cus ... ld-closer/
Interesting. Do you disagree with his summary that the engines are opererated by the manufacturer and not team personnel, and that the acceptible risk envelope for customers is different than for manufacturers. Did you enjoy the episode?
I think using higher PU modes more often is a two sided bladed. On the one side you get more power for a longer period. On the other that more power for longer period leads you to have a higher risk of failure.

I remember the year Hamilton lost to Rosberg. Hamilton ask why he was having all the PU issue and nobody else running a Merc PU was. He was making use of the higher PU modes more often...
Really? I didn’t know that was ever confirmed, Lewis using higher modes more often.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by diffuser » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:31 pm

Ground Effect wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:23 pm
diffuser wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:12 pm
nzjrs wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:13 am


Interesting. Do you disagree with his summary that the engines are opererated by the manufacturer and not team personnel, and that the acceptible risk envelope for customers is different than for manufacturers. Did you enjoy the episode?
I think using higher PU modes more often is a two sided bladed. On the one side you get more power for a longer period. On the other that more power for longer period leads you to have a higher risk of failure.

I remember the year Hamilton lost to Rosberg. Hamilton ask why he was having all the PU issue and nobody else running a Merc PU was. He was making use of the higher PU modes more often...
Really? I didn’t know that was ever confirmed, Lewis using higher modes more often.
I think it was but that wasn't my point. My point was that it's a plausible scenario.

I also think those regulations might get some tightening up once a Customer team really challenges a Works team for the title.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:42 pm

Sainz on Silverstone Qualifying:

I had a very strong run in Q1, where I felt a bit more comfortable with the car than in the previous sessions. At that point, I felt like Q3 was clearly the target.

But then things changed. The car became more oversteery, I lost the feeling and momentum with the rear of the car and, ultimately, I missed out on Q3 by a tenth and a half with a time slower than my Q1 run. A blink of an eye that in the midfield means a lot!

We have since done our analysis and we now fully understand what went wrong. That helps to be calm about what happened but, at the time, it obviously hurt. As a driver it is key to understand these situations and to keep learning how your car reacts in different conditions.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... V8XGj.html

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by mclaren111 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:46 am

F1 Fansite:
McLaren denies Renault-only 'party mode'
After Silverstone, McLaren's Carlos Sainz said he was surprised by the top speed achieved by Daniel Ricciardo in the works car, even though they theoretically use exactly the same engine.
McLaren boss Andreas Seidl has denied that Renault's works team has a "party mode" setting that is not available to its customer.
After Silverstone, McLaren's Carlos Sainz said he was surprised by the top speed achieved by Daniel Ricciardo in the works car, even though they theoretically use exactly the same engine.
But Seidl denied this is evidence of unequal treatment. "If you see the data, it has to do with the settings used by Renault," he told AS newspaper. "We have total confidence in the transparency between us, and the rules are very clear that manufacturers and customers must always receive the same in terms of equipment and engine maps and things of that nature."
When asked specifically if Renault has a 'party mode' that McLaren does not, Seidl answered: "Not at all."

I read somewhere we were running more downforce... Were that the case ??

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:54 pm

mclaren111 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:46 am
F1 Fansite:
McLaren denies Renault-only 'party mode'
After Silverstone, McLaren's Carlos Sainz said he was surprised by the top speed achieved by Daniel Ricciardo in the works car, even though they theoretically use exactly the same engine.
McLaren boss Andreas Seidl has denied that Renault's works team has a "party mode" setting that is not available to its customer.
After Silverstone, McLaren's Carlos Sainz said he was surprised by the top speed achieved by Daniel Ricciardo in the works car, even though they theoretically use exactly the same engine.
But Seidl denied this is evidence of unequal treatment. "If you see the data, it has to do with the settings used by Renault," he told AS newspaper. "We have total confidence in the transparency between us, and the rules are very clear that manufacturers and customers must always receive the same in terms of equipment and engine maps and things of that nature."
When asked specifically if Renault has a 'party mode' that McLaren does not, Seidl answered: "Not at all."

I read somewhere we were running more downforce... Were that the case ??
Correct.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Emag » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:23 pm

Does anybody have some information about potential upgrades in the upcoming races? I know they tried a couple of floor variants in Silverstone, and they changed the bargeboards. We also haven't seen the rumored new suspension since France in FP2. Will they finally finalize the floor and the new suspension in the next races?

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:06 pm

Emag wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:23 pm
Does anybody have some information about potential upgrades in the upcoming races? I know they tried a couple of floor variants in Silverstone, and they changed the bargeboards. We also haven't seen the rumored new suspension since France in FP2. Will they finally finalize the floor and the new suspension in the next races?
A lot of time is being spent focusing on front end problems and since Hungary is a track which will accentuate them I expect the POU to arrive by then if not next week. The floor upgrade from what I read wasn't fully delivered yet too.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Andres125sx » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:54 am

mclaren111 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:46 am
F1 Fansite:
McLaren denies Renault-only 'party mode'
After Silverstone, McLaren's Carlos Sainz said he was surprised by the top speed achieved by Daniel Ricciardo in the works car, even though they theoretically use exactly the same engine.
McLaren boss Andreas Seidl has denied that Renault's works team has a "party mode" setting that is not available to its customer.
After Silverstone, McLaren's Carlos Sainz said he was surprised by the top speed achieved by Daniel Ricciardo in the works car, even though they theoretically use exactly the same engine.
But Seidl denied this is evidence of unequal treatment. "If you see the data, it has to do with the settings used by Renault," he told AS newspaper. "We have total confidence in the transparency between us, and the rules are very clear that manufacturers and customers must always receive the same in terms of equipment and engine maps and things of that nature."
When asked specifically if Renault has a 'party mode' that McLaren does not, Seidl answered: "Not at all."

I read somewhere we were running more downforce... Were that the case ??
I posted it. After Silverstone race Sainz said for the spanish TV they were running more wing than Renault, and a wind change during the race made McLaren setup too high DF, reducing their top speed wich is the reason he struggled keeping Ricciardo behind

That´s the reason I´m sceptical about that article stating Carlos said he´s surprised about Renault top speed. That was not the case in Silverstone, actually it was Carlos who clarified the reason Renault had a higher top speed so I can´t rely on that article sources :roll:

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by mclaren111 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:41 pm

Thank You...

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by McG » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:32 am

While DR was racing CS one of the SkyF1 team confirmed with authority that Renault were running less downforce than McLaren. Not sure whether that info was known before the race or was passed onto the team during the battle. Anyway, was great to see that with less downforce and DRS, and possibly the best overtaker, that the Renault still couldn't get past McLaren.

Very happy Sky showed most of that battle for extended periods in the closing stages of the race.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by makecry » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:24 am

McG wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:32 am
While DR was racing CS one of the SkyF1 team confirmed with authority that Renault were running less downforce than McLaren. Not sure whether that info was known before the race or was passed onto the team during the battle. Anyway, was great to see that with less downforce and DRS, and possibly the best overtaker, that the Renault still couldn't get past McLaren.

Very happy Sky showed most of that battle for extended periods in the closing stages of the race.
Eh. I disagree. Daniel's move is a dive-bomb. It's just that his RBR were so good on braking that it helped him get away with that move so often.