Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:50 am

Yes, I meant the crazy start-up smoke :)

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:06 pm

Alright then. :) I don't know, if it still was smoking at start-up. But from a technical point of view: Why would it stop smoking at start-up, but keep on smoking as usual on track? This means that only the heavy smoking after starting the engine would be related to the oil burning via turbo which Ferrari was accused of, but not the quite visible smoking on track. How so?

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:49 pm

Totally guessing. But in my head I thought maybe the turbo leaked oil slowly on purpose. And a small pool builds which then means it smokes like hell on start up.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:38 pm

LM10 wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:06 pm
Alright then. :) I don't know, if it still was smoking at start-up. But from a technical point of view: Why would it stop smoking at start-up, but keep on smoking as usual on track? This means that only the heavy smoking after starting the engine would be related to the oil burning via turbo which Ferrari was accused of, but not the quite visible smoking on track. How so?
Maybe internal components have to reach a temp where a chemical change occurs or particle Sublimation?
Or the other end and particles condense while its cooler and 'burn' incorrectly?
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:33 am

The whole point of deliberate oil-burning would be to make power. To get the maximum power benefit would require complete combustion of the oil. "Smoke" is an aerosol consisting of unburned solid or liquid particles. You can work the rest out.

Complete combustion of a heavy hydrocarbon would be more easily accomplished in a hot engine. Cold engine equals more smoke. Not to say there is/was not an issue with accumulated oil residue on startup - just saying engine temperature is another factor.
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:40 am

Any information about what went wrong with the spanking new engine in Grosjean's car?

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:12 am

RZS10 wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:40 am
Any information about what went wrong with the spanking new engine in Grosjean's car?
Grosjean asked a wierd quastion: " engine failure or dumping oil" , what does he meant by "dumping oil" ? how can an engine dump oil without any engine failure?!!!
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:28 am

Ferrari and Mercedes both are accused of burning oil. Fuel and oil both are hydrocarbon, my question is that why Fia does not perform exuast gas analysis to count burn/unburn hydrocarbons at wot to find out temporary exessive oil burning?
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:38 pm

I don't know why the Ferrari fans always say the oil burning issue is them and Mercedes.

At no point has anybody officially challenged Mercedes. Ferrari however were found with a second oil tank for a start.

Mercedes also highlighted things like using the turbo oil to the FIA.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:39 pm

Was the Haas engine that blew up the new spec? If so, a bit worrying for Ferrari.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:29 pm

djones wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:39 pm
Was the Haas engine that blew up the new spec? If so, a bit worrying for Ferrari.
Yes new spec. We don't know yet if it was an issue with the spec 2 engine in general or something Haas did 'wrong'.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:24 pm

Dutch television reported a faulty assembly by Haas personnel. They also said the engine was still okay..

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:35 am

Despite the big smoke show, you could see the engine still running.

Haas is creating a history of messing up procedure and installation.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:37 am

Oil overfill, blew it out through the turbo seal.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:40 am

Or someone forgot the restrictor on the feed line?
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