Got caught up in that AT/RB mess.JPower wrote: ↑06 Nov 2021, 23:34Sainz brought it home in Q3. Good job beating Ricciardo even without the benefit of a tow.
Don't know what happened to Charles' last run. I'll have to check the tape.
P6/P8 wasn't as good as expected but they can still gain a good jump in the constructors' from there.
They were looking to pressure Gasly with an undercut. Wasn't a tire wear issue.codetower wrote: ↑08 Nov 2021, 00:44Both drivers are very close in my opinion. Charles might be quicker more consistently, Carlos obviously has more experience. One thing I’m curious about is the big differences in strategies on some of these races. I don’t think Charles’ lap times were dropping that much to have pitted him 12 laps earlier than Carlos.
It definitely could get interesting if Carlos does begin to upstage Charles. But I think it would upset fans more-so than anyone in the organization though. Sainz is very good, I think a bit underrated. He outraced Lando last year at McLaren more than a couple of times. But I still think Leclerc is a bit faster... and will only get better; he's still fairly young (in both age and experience). I think Ferrari knew exactly what they were getting. I don't see a Lec/Vet situation between those two like we had last year. They are both very competitive so we'll see some grunting like we did today from Leclerc when asked to let Sainz pass, but it seems they both respect the team a great deal.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑08 Nov 2021, 01:04Very interesting to see Sainz doing so well, it’s going to upset someone if he upstages Charles. He is the marketable one, and the Ferrari golden child. But not to worry yet from his perspective, Ferrari know Charles lost some big points that came down to fortune not being on his side. So it’s not like Sainz, despite maybe finishing ahead come Abu Dhabi, looks like the right horse to back to lead a championship.
But Carlos could cause Mattia some big head aches. Ones McLaren have been known to having, when it cost them their shots at championships (07, 2010).
Unfortunate thing for them is, Sainz is not there to be a compliant number 2, and give them a car that is dominant or can fight for the championship very well, I suspect some on track resentment and wheel to wheel bust ups.
I really do think Ferrari is the dark horse for next year. They have a great opportunity given they have had the last couple of years to invest more into 2022 than the two protagonists have.
It would also be really great to see Ferrari fighting for championships again.
Why is that narrative about Leclerc making dumb mistakes? Ok Monaco was one, but this year he is right on point as much as car allows him to do.Gillian wrote: ↑08 Nov 2021, 21:36Sainz is the most underrated driver of this generation imo. He has shown he can adapt, just look at his performance driving for different teams. He is also very consistent and doesn't make a lot of errors. I feel like Sainz is in top 5 best drivers on the grid right now, possible 3rd best.
Leclerc is/was a bit overhyped. He has made dumb mistakes. I do think Leclerc is improving, but he's just a little too error prone still. Of course he is still young and if he can cut out the errors he certainly will be among the best on the grid. I'd rate him slightly lower than Sainz at this moment.
I am very curious to see how they perform next year.
Sainz also lost some big points that came down to fortune not being on his side. Poor pitstops have been too frequent and costly in his side of the garage. Except Mexico it was 3 races in a row, plus some more previously and those are a lot of pointsAeroDynamic wrote: ↑08 Nov 2021, 01:04Very interesting to see Sainz doing so well, it’s going to upset someone if he upstages Charles. He is the marketable one, and the Ferrari golden child. But not to worry yet from his perspective, Ferrari know Charles lost some big points that came down to fortune not being on his side. So it’s not like Sainz, despite maybe finishing ahead come Abu Dhabi, looks like the right horse to back to lead a championship.
I mean looking at both their entire careers. Leclerc has made a lot mistakes in his years, but like I say above this year is better. That's why I say at this moment he is still a little error prone.F1NAC wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021, 08:51Why is that narrative about Leclerc making dumb mistakes? Ok Monaco was one, but this year he is right on point as much as car allows him to do.Gillian wrote: ↑08 Nov 2021, 21:36Sainz is the most underrated driver of this generation imo. He has shown he can adapt, just look at his performance driving for different teams. He is also very consistent and doesn't make a lot of errors. I feel like Sainz is in top 5 best drivers on the grid right now, possible 3rd best.
Leclerc is/was a bit overhyped. He has made dumb mistakes. I do think Leclerc is improving, but he's just a little too error prone still. Of course he is still young and if he can cut out the errors he certainly will be among the best on the grid. I'd rate him slightly lower than Sainz at this moment.
I am very curious to see how they perform next year.
HE is in front of Sainz in standings. Sainz who has more podiums, and also all of his podiums were achieved when Charles was out of points (DNS, DNF and 15th in Sochi). We could be in front of NOrris already. Yes he did that mistake in Monaco, but I don't recall enough mistakes that would deemed he is overhyped or error prone.
