2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

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As I’ve stated before, I think it’s a moot point as to whether Max could have damaged it.

He’s on camera breaking the sporting rules and touching the very part in question.

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Prediction: Verstappen gets a reprimand and Mercedes get away with it.

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dans79 wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:33
pantherxxx wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:30
It would have been impossible for Max to change the wing like that just by touching it for a few seconds. If that's the case it's a DSQ.
As I said before, these are F1 cars, they are only designed to handle loads under the conditions they would normally be subjected to, no more, no less.
I'm pretty sure they could tell right away if it was bended by a human.

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pantherxxx wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:37
dans79 wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:33
pantherxxx wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:30
It would have been impossible for Max to change the wing like that just by touching it for a few seconds. If that's the case it's a DSQ.
As I said before, these are F1 cars, they are only designed to handle loads under the conditions they would normally be subjected to, no more, no less.
I'm pretty sure they could tell right away if it was bended by a human.
could be why they are calling max in!
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Merc likely trying to argue Max broke sporting code by touching the car. Odd that they never complained those times Seb put his boot on their rear wheel then... Etc.... This is stupid...

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Interestingly enough - Max technically broke the rules 2x by touching his RW, in addition to touching Hamilton’s.

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zibby43 wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:42
Interestingly enough - Max technically broke the rules 2x by touching his RW, in addition to touching Hamilton’s.
The driver is allowed to touch their own car, even under the provisions of 2.5. They sort of have to, to get out of the thing.
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So… people who were saying Merc broke a rule and must be punished are now saying the rule breaking by Max is BS :wtf:

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Surely if Hamilton is penalized, they would take an all new power unit instead of just the ice?

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pantherxxx wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:40
Merc likely trying to argue Max broke sporting code by touching the car. Odd that they never complained those times Seb put his boot on their rear wheel then... Etc.... This is stupid...
Their car didn't fail to pass scrutineering after Vettel touched it.

Cars don't fail to pass scrutineering very often, so a competitor touching the exact component that later fails scrutineering, is going to cause a hell of a fire storm! I'm sure tomorrow we will hear comments about Horner and marko being irate!
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Mercedes are getting ridiculously desperate.

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SchuMassa wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:47
Mercedes are getting ridiculously desperate.
They didn't call Max to the principal's office, the stewards did!
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f1jcw wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:44
So… people who were saying Merc broke a rule and must be punished are now saying the rule breaking by Max is BS :wtf:
Even if Verstappen broke some rule, which is bs, because Vettel touched other cars before and there was no punishment or anything, but let's say he broke a rule.

It still doesn't save Mercedes from DSQ. Their car was illegal, and Max had nothing to do with it.

He touched it for like a second and all he could've done was pinch it or feel the flex for that brief moment. No way on earth where we had 18 races so far with 20 cars all in compliance all while being under huge loads/forces due to downforce and kerbs and not a single one of those times a DRS system got dislodged. Yet a brief touch of 'magic Max' would do the trick? Please... the engineers pull the cars back into the garage by the rear wing, no f*cking way that this is even remotely the cause.

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AeroDynamic wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:19
zibby43 wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:18
Vaexa wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:16
Aren't there multiple instances (on video!) of Vettel touching competitors' cars with absolutely no consequences?

I feel like Mercedes would be *really* grasping at straws trying to get Verstappen involved here, so I don't think the decision being postponed until tomorrow has anything to do with this.
I have never seen VET touch another car. Only look. At least from my memory.
I remember Vettel inspecting Bottas’ car post race. He used his foot to move the Mercedes forward to check the blister in the tyre. It’s no longer in parc ferme post race is it?
It is still parc ferme until the officials say it's not, as post race scrutineering is also a thing.

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holeindalip wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 03:45
Surely if Hamilton is penalized, they would take an all new power unit instead of just the ice?
If he does take an entire PU, then the ICE he took today would be dropped from the pool, by rule.