2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[Restomaniac]

With the rules on movable aero devices and the tests on rear wings in mind, I find it difficult to understand how simply touching would result in any measurable change.

It probably didn’t but has been said above, Max’s actions have now bought an element of doubt into the equation which is an angle I’m sure Mercedes will be trying to work.

I’m sure they will but it is a silly defense and easy to dispute. On the other hand, the FIA has proven to do anything to save the championship.

Easy to dispute. Yep so easy that what should have been an open and shut case is dragging on.

[Starkblood80]

With the rules on movable aero devices and the tests on rear wings in mind, I find it difficult to understand how simply touching would result in any measurable change.

It probably didn’t but has been said above, Max’s actions have now bought an element of doubt into the equation which is an angle I’m sure Mercedes will be trying to work.

I’m sure they will but it is a silly defense and easy to dispute. On the other hand, the FIA has proven to do anything to save the championship.

Is it easy to dispute? Unless the FIA has some high definition footage of what max actually did to Hamilton’s rear wing I think has actions could well be enough to cast reasonable doubt over the case.
Im not saying Max did do anything to Hamilton’s rear wing but the doubt is now there.

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[Gillian]

The video doesn't prove Verstappen touched the car. You can't see him touching the car.

I also can't believe that touching a rear wing with your fingers would result in it failing a simple test afterwards. I mean, they'd be afraid to even clean the wing with a piece of cloth if it's that fragile.

Or is Verstappen now so technically skilled that he can break a rear wing in a blink of an eye?

[Restomaniac]

The video doesn't prove Verstappen touched the car. You can't see him touching the car.

I also can't believe that touching a rear wing with your fingers would result in it failing a simple test afterwards. I mean, they'd be afraid to evening clean the wing with a piece of cloth if it's that fragile.

Or is Verstappen now so technically skilled that he can break a rear wing in a blink of an eye?

But it doesn’t prove he didn’t either. That’s the reasonable doubt we’re talking about.

I’ll say it again if there was no doubt then the DQ on car No 44 would already have happened.

[Tizz]

The video doesn't prove Verstappen touched the car. You can't see him touching the car.

I also can't believe that touching a rear wing with your fingers would result in it failing a simple test afterwards. I mean, they'd be afraid to evening clean the wing with a piece of cloth if it's that fragile.

Or is Verstappen now so technically skilled that he can break a rear wing in a blink of an eye?

But it doesn’t prove he didn’t either. That’s the reasonable doubt we’re talking about.

I’ll say it again if there was no doubt then the DQ on car No 44 would already have happened.

It is part fermé. There are truckloads of FIA personnel there. It is very hard to imagine none of them saw it happening.

As the consequences very well may decide the championship, I’m sure they want to avoid any doubt.

[bonjon1979]

there could well be a means of adjusting or tuning the drs. I’d say merc are going to protest and say their title rival touched the very part that was found to be in contravention of the rules and so they can’t possibly be penalised.

[Tizz]

The video doesn't prove Verstappen touched the car. You can't see him touching the car.

I also can't believe that touching a rear wing with your fingers would result in it failing a simple test afterwards. I mean, they'd be afraid to even clean the wing with a piece of cloth if it's that fragile.

Or is Verstappen now so technically skilled that he can break a rear wing in a blink of an eye?

He would need a red cape and blue tights to achieve that just touching.

[Restomaniac]

The video doesn't prove Verstappen touched the car. You can't see him touching the car.

I also can't believe that touching a rear wing with your fingers would result in it failing a simple test afterwards. I mean, they'd be afraid to evening clean the wing with a piece of cloth if it's that fragile.

Or is Verstappen now so technically skilled that he can break a rear wing in a blink of an eye?

But it doesn’t prove he didn’t either. That’s the reasonable doubt we’re talking about.

I’ll say it again if there was no doubt then the DQ on car No 44 would already have happened.

It is part fermé. There are truckloads of FIA personnel there. It is very hard to imagine none of them saw it happening.

As the consequences very well may decide the championship, I’m sure they want to avoid any doubt.

Well we know they tested and it failed. So what are they waiting for Christmas? You mention doubt. Now where would that doubt be coming from.

[bonjon1979]

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status ... 7800903687

It doesn’t matter, if the Merc had a gap that was just 0.1mm too big theyd be disqualified. Could putting a thumb in from behind, a direction that force is never exerted on the rear wing effect it by 0.1mm. Possibly. Therefore they have to let merc off and punish max for clearly breaking the rules

[Tizz]

But it doesn’t prove he didn’t either. That’s the reasonable doubt we’re talking about.

I’ll say it again if there was no doubt then the DQ on car No 44 would already have happened.

It is part fermé. There are truckloads of FIA personnel there. It is very hard to imagine none of them saw it happening.

As the consequences very well may decide the championship, I’m sure they want to avoid any doubt.

Well we know they tested and it failed. So what are they waiting for Christmas? You mention doubt. Now where would that doubt be coming from.

How is our lack of knowledge about the proceedings relevant to the outcome ?

[Restomaniac]

It is part fermé. There are truckloads of FIA personnel there. It is very hard to imagine none of them saw it happening.

As the consequences very well may decide the championship, I’m sure they want to avoid any doubt.

Well we know they tested and it failed. So what are they waiting for Christmas? You mention doubt. Now where would that doubt be coming from.

How is our lack of knowledge about the proceedings relevant to the outcome ?

Because it would normally be an open and shut case. I’m sorry but it’s not difficult to understand.

[Fulcrum]

The timing of this incident is interesting, and makes me wonder if Red Bull have been sitting on this, like a zero-day exploit.

[Tizz]

Well we know they tested and it failed. So what are they waiting for Christmas? You mention doubt. Now where would that doubt be coming from.

How is our lack of knowledge about the proceedings relevant to the outcome ?

Because it would normally be an open and shut case. I’m sorry but it’s not difficult to understand.

And your assessment is based on your vast knowledge on the FIA internal procedures for handling situations as the one at hand ? You have detailed insight in which test failed and how? Why not letting them do what they do, as long as they are done by the start of the sprint ?

[TimW]

It only goes through on the very edge, seems like a malfunction that did not really benefit him. But the Vettel case shows that does not matter.