2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[Mezger]

If Hamilton gets sent to the back could he take another engine this weekend or does he need to use the new engine first.

[markoc]

I think only real possibility is that Ham will have to take the penalty. Everything else is a joke. I don't like it because I wanted these two to decide it in the final race but if the wing failed the test it failed it.
There is no chance that they can get out of it with the talk Max touched the part. This is the part that takes several thousand Newtons of force during run, plus the enormous vibrations. I would be surprised if it failed if Max was jumping on top of it. Only question is if Max will get the punishment and how much for checking the car (since we saw that touching is not forbidden by the regs in one of the previous posts).

[Restomaniac]

I think only real possibility is that Ham will have to take the penalty. Everything else is a joke. I don't like it because I wanted these two to decide it in the final race but if the wing failed the test it failed it.
There is no chance that they can get out of it with the talk Max touched the part. This is the part that takes several thousand Newtons of force during run, plus the enormous vibrations. I would be surprised if it failed if Max was jumping on top of it. Only question is if Max will get the punishment and how much for checking the car (since we saw that touching is not forbidden by the regs in one of the previous posts).

The same area that when stuck open on another car a couple of years ago a mechanic was able to accidentally pull off when trying to make it shut? That part?

[Ozan]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

[proteus]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

Max the superman Verstappen. Touched a wing with his fingers and widened the wing....something that 300+ kmh aero load cant do, but Max did.

[Mezger]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

You quote above that 'the gap should be 85mm max' .... why does that rule only apply to Max.

[Dee]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

If no one knows this happened, you cannot penalise Max

[Ozan]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

Max the superman Verstappen. Touched a wing with his fingers and widened the wing....something that 300+ kmh aero load cant do, but Max did.

we can't know for sure if he changed it or not, can you prove it? we are talking about milimeters here.

The rules says you can't touch the car, if you touch it then it's against the rules.

[TwanV]

Thank the stars we live in an age where actual proof matters. Why not ask Mercedes to back up their claim by providing another same spec rear wing and proving that it can be broken with a small touch. Case closed either way

[west52keep64]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

Max the superman Verstappen. Touched a wing with his fingers and widened the wing....something that 300+ kmh aero load cant do, but Max did.

we can't know for sure if he changed it or not, can you prove it? we are talking about milimeters here.

The rules says you can't touch the car, if you touch it then it's against the rules.

The rule does not say that. The rule in question has been posted in this thread several times.

[Ryar]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

This is worded well below.

There is no chance that they can get out of it with the talk Max touched the part. This is the part that takes several thousand Newtons of force during run, plus the enormous vibrations. I would be surprised if it failed if Max was jumping on top of it.

People who know little bit of F1 technology, know how sturdy the car parts are and force they withstand. To then make all the silly comments about a rear wing being tampered by mere, human fingers (if at all), shows people either don't understand F1 or don't want to go beyond a fan boy perspective.

[Ryar]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

This is worded well below.

There is no chance that they can get out of it with the talk Max touched the part. This is the part that takes several thousand Newtons of force during run, plus the enormous vibrations. I would be surprised if it failed if Max was jumping on top of it.

People who know little bit of F1 technology, know how sturdy the car parts are and force they withstand. To then make all the silly comments about a rear wing being tampered by mere, human fingers (if at all), shows people either don't understand F1 or don't want to go beyond a fan bouy perspective.

[bonjon1979]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

Max the superman Verstappen. Touched a wing with his fingers and widened the wing....something that 300+ kmh aero load cant do, but Max did.

[DChemTech]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

Max the superman Verstappen. Touched a wing with his fingers and widened the wing....something that 300+ kmh aero load cant do, but Max did.

we can't know for sure if he changed it or not, can you prove it? we are talking about milimeters here.

The rules says you can't touch the car, if you touch it then it's against the rules.

Yet Vettel has never been penalized for touching his own and other cars many times. Maybe it's because the rules do not state literally that you cannot touch it.

But I guess you just want to give a whole new dimension to 'Supermax'. Time to rewrite the lyrics for that song I guess.

[proteus]

the rules says "the gap should be 85mm max" so if it was 84 mm and verstappen touched it and it became larger than 85mm, then what happens? no one can know this happened or not.
if Ham takes a penalty, then Ver should take one too.

Max the superman Verstappen. Touched a wing with his fingers and widened the wing....something that 300+ kmh aero load cant do, but Max did.

we can't know for sure if he changed it or not, can you prove it? we are talking about milimeters here.

The rules says you can't touch the car, if you touch it then it's against the rules.

If he managed to do anything, than Mercedes should withdraw out of the race, since the car is in such a bad state that touching it changes the tolerances and settings. Like i said before. If it bothers FIA so much, they should put Max in the back and ban Mercedes for the rest of race weekend.