A quick turnaround at the start and a tense battle for the lead earned Lewis Hamilton victory in the Brazilian Grand Prix. Max Verstappen was aggressive and eventually finished second, ahead of Mercedes' Bottas.
Max would would most likely start behind Lewis then, so I doubt they would do that.
If they don't qualify due to a DQ, how can they be part of the race?west52keep64 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:00Correct, Sauber were disqualified from the session where the car was deemed to have run illegally. The same will happen to Mercedes, which will mean a disqualification from qualifying. They will not be disqualified from the entire event, there's no precedent for that.
By definition, they didn't qualify for the event.
https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-verstap ... imi-38385/Crazy F1 thriller about Hamilton's rear wing: does Verstappen have superpowers?
Even Verstappen in the pillory
Marko on F1-Insider.com: "The unbelievable thing is that Mercedes is now claiming that Max damaged Hamilton's rear wing with his fingers."
In the paddock, Verstappen is known as "Supermax" or "Max, the steel one".
grubschumi13 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:11Mercedes and Lewis will not be punished because its not possible to prove that Max touching the car did not create the discrepancy. Mercedes will be ordered to change the wing and start from the pit-lane effectively also putting him at the back.
They managed to show they have sufficient pace and by that stewards can allow them to race.Zynerji wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:23If they don't qualify due to a DQ, how can they be part of the race?west52keep64 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:00Correct, Sauber were disqualified from the session where the car was deemed to have run illegally. The same will happen to Mercedes, which will mean a disqualification from qualifying. They will not be disqualified from the entire event, there's no precedent for that.By definition, they didn't qualify for the event.
It's like Mercedes saying, FIA are dumb idiots who can't think through what we are saying. It's actually, disrespecting the collective wisdom of FIA, more specifically of someone lik Jo Bauer, who has seen these stunts for ages now. I would be shocked if FIA buys that. The more apt decision would be to disqualify Lewis and reprimand Max, as there is no precedent of a penalty for a driver in such situation, despite Vettel having done that multiple times, without any particular issue. Anything else would firm the suggested reputation of FIA as a bunch driven by Mercedes.
But there is enough evidence to introduce doubt. I’m pretty sure you’ve had this explained to you more than once so I’m finding it difficult to understand why you’re not getting that simple concept.pantherxxx wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:15If Mercedes really claims that Max changed the setup with one hand in under a second, they're making fools from themselves. It's physically impossible, it's 3X harder to bend carbon fiber than f*cking steel.
But that's on the basis of a supposedly illegal car.proteus wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:25They managed to show they have sufficient pace and by that stewards can allow them to race.Zynerji wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:23If they don't qualify due to a DQ, how can they be part of the race?west52keep64 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:00
Correct, Sauber were disqualified from the session where the car was deemed to have run illegally. The same will happen to Mercedes, which will mean a disqualification from qualifying. They will not be disqualified from the entire event, there's no precedent for that.
It's one thing to show a poor quality video and to bring some reasonable evidence on the basis scientific processes, that can show that a human being touching the wing can damage, to create that doubt.Starkblood80 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:27But there is enough evidence to introduce doubt. I’m pretty sure you’ve had this explained to you more than once so I’m finding it difficult to understand why you’re not getting that simple concept.pantherxxx wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:15If Mercedes really claims that Max changed the setup with one hand in under a second, they're making fools from themselves. It's physically impossible, it's 3X harder to bend carbon fiber than f*cking steel.
It's not even about fans. This is about the other teams, sponsors and other racing series managed by FIA.
Enough evidence to introduce doubt? It's physically impossible. No human on earth would be able to do that like that, with one hand, not even a gorilla or any known mammal. So you're claiming that Verstappen is a supernatural being? Is that your evidence to doubt?Starkblood80 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:27But there is enough evidence to introduce doubt. I’m pretty sure you’ve had this explained to you more than once so I’m finding it difficult to understand why you’re not getting that simple concept.pantherxxx wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 16:15If Mercedes really claims that Max changed the setup with one hand in under a second, they're making fools from themselves. It's physically impossible, it's 3X harder to bend carbon fiber than f*cking steel.
