PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:00 pmThe terms Safety car and undercut should be kept at arms length for fear of a team reviving the unscrupulous tactic used by Flavio Briatore in 2008.
I don't think Toto or Horner would stoop so low to win though.
Still amazed Piquet agreed to it!erudite450 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:06 amPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:00 pmThe terms Safety car and undercut should be kept at arms length for fear of a team reviving the unscrupulous tactic used by Flavio Briatore in 2008.
I don't think Toto or Horner would stoop so low to win though.
I'm sorry if you find this question nitpicky, but... What's your definition of a "hair-pin" (and where do you see them in Monza)?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:16 pmNow the qeustion is... Will a Monza-like setup work here?
We have a big hair pin and a small hair-pin just like Monza.
We have, what are not exacltly chicanes, but quick lane zig-zags similar to the ascari and lesmos turns where quick steering and agility is required.
This should be a Mercedes track.
Maybe PZ just meant slow corners.HungarianRacer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:21 amI'm sorry if you find this question nitpicky, but... What's your definition of a "hair-pin" (and where do you see them in Monza)?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:16 pmNow the qeustion is... Will a Monza-like setup work here?
We have a big hair pin and a small hair-pin just like Monza.
We have, what are not exacltly chicanes, but quick lane zig-zags similar to the ascari and lesmos turns where quick steering and agility is required.
This should be a Mercedes track.
... But other than the two chicanes (if you accept that Ascari isn't a chicane in the classic sense), which he adresses separately, there really are no slow corners in Monza... Maybe, if you stretch the definition hard enough, you could see Parabolica as a sub-180 degrees, ultra-high speed hairpin (I suppose), while Lesmo 1 and 2 together would be your other, double-apex "hairpin" (even though the straight between those is way too long for that), he probably calls those hairpins (how are those analogous to any of Jeddah's corners then?), but yeah, I'm definitely being nitpicky now.SiLo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:06 pmMaybe PZ just meant slow corners.HungarianRacer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:21 amI'm sorry if you find this question nitpicky, but... What's your definition of a "hair-pin" (and where do you see them in Monza)?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:16 pmNow the qeustion is... Will a Monza-like setup work here?
We have a big hair pin and a small hair-pin just like Monza.
We have, what are not exacltly chicanes, but quick lane zig-zags similar to the ascari and lesmos turns where quick steering and agility is required.
This should be a Mercedes track.
For me, an approximate 180 degree turn that may be a single turn or a quick blend of two 90 degree turns.HungarianRacer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:21 amI'm sorry if you find this question nitpicky, but... What's your definition of a "hair-pin" (and where do you see them in Monza)?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:16 pmNow the qeustion is... Will a Monza-like setup work here?
We have a big hair pin and a small hair-pin just like Monza.
We have, what are not exacltly chicanes, but quick lane zig-zags similar to the ascari and lesmos turns where quick steering and agility is required.
This should be a Mercedes track.
That's how fast they'll go during the race more or less. It's not a hot lap. IDK if you could tell I had 85 liters of fuel during this lap. Not exactly what you carry when you're going for broke.SiLo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:29 pmThis isn't even close to be how fast they will drive this track.godlameroso wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:20 am
From what I can tell, you need a Spa like setup, or something along those line, medium downforce, COTA lite maybe. It's all about hugging the walls, two traction sensitive zones, everything else is all about carrying speed through the corners. The corners are worth a lot of time much more than the straights, but you also can't ignore the straights. At least since you don't need a ton of rear wing RBR will have a more favorable balance. It's a lot tighter in real life, still don't know what the real kerbs are like. It's definitely a two stopper, it will be incredibly hard to keep the pace up and preserve the tires. This was 18 laps in and 3 laps into the second medium stint. I imagine the push strategy will be 15M 15M 20H or some variation thereof.
I wasn't aware thank you for clarifying.godlameroso wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:50 pmThat's how fast they'll go during the race more or less. It's not a hot lap. IDK if you could tell I had 85 liters of fuel during this lap. Not exactly what you carry when you're going for broke.SiLo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:29 pmThis isn't even close to be how fast they will drive this track.godlameroso wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:20 am
From what I can tell, you need a Spa like setup, or something along those line, medium downforce, COTA lite maybe. It's all about hugging the walls, two traction sensitive zones, everything else is all about carrying speed through the corners. The corners are worth a lot of time much more than the straights, but you also can't ignore the straights. At least since you don't need a ton of rear wing RBR will have a more favorable balance. It's a lot tighter in real life, still don't know what the real kerbs are like. It's definitely a two stopper, it will be incredibly hard to keep the pace up and preserve the tires. This was 18 laps in and 3 laps into the second medium stint. I imagine the push strategy will be 15M 15M 20H or some variation thereof.
Absolutely, although I think it speaks to the current quality of drivers that we haven't seen too many incidents this year. Most races happen cleanly without incident except on the first lap or so, very rarely do we see mid race incidents. With how close the walls are and how fast you go, and how close you have to be to go fast, I don't know. It may be very very difficult to follow. The walls have aero effects as well, some cars could be enhanced or disadvantaged by the close proximity of the walls. We saw that in Baku, the walls themselves also provide insulation from surrounding wind, so cars that are wind sensitive may have an easier time.