2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

[dans79]

Imagine if Lewis had his 3 points from Brazil sprint race?
And no points were awarded at Spa?

That will put him 4.5 points ahead, still he will need to win the next race
But all will be good the next race.

He doesn't need to win, he just needs to finish with one point more than Max.

[dans79]

Imagine if Lewis had his 3 points from Brazil sprint race?
And no points were awarded at Spa?

That will put him 4.5 points ahead, still he will need to win the next race
But all will be good the next race.

He doesn't need to win, he just needs to finish with one point more than Max.

[NathanOlder]

Imagine if Lewis had his 3 points from Brazil sprint race?
And no points were awarded at Spa?

That will put him 4.5 points ahead, still he will need to win the next race
But all will be good the next race.

No, it would put him 9 points ahead.

he lost 5 points to Max in Belgium
he would gain 3 points in Brazil
Max would lose 1 point in Brazil.

[e30ernest]

On the lighter side of things

[WaikeCU]

Imagine if Lewis had his 3 points from Brazil sprint race?
And no points were awarded at Spa?

That will put him 4.5 points ahead, still he will need to win the next race
But all will be good the next race.

No, it would put him 9 points ahead.

he lost 5 points to Max in Belgium
he would gain 3 points in Brazil
Max would lose 1 point in Brazil.

+ imagine if Max got DSQ'ed on last Sunday. That would have been the championship

[pursue_one's]

Here we go with Horner's whining...

Christian Horner: "They changed the layout (Abu Dhabi) and unfortunately the engine speed that Hamilton has is unraceable. I mean he was a second quicker (Jeddah S2 / S3), Max would pull half a second by T13. You can’t defend against that."

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3NFMQBiNDtEHpocUqnH60y

[NathanOlder]

Here we go with Horner's whining...

Christian Horner: "They changed the layout (Abu Dhabi) and unfortunately the engine speed that Hamilton has is unraceable. I mean he was a second quicker (Jeddah S2 / S3), Max would pull half a second by T13. You can’t defend against that."

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3NFMQBiNDtEHpocUqnH60y

Build a better car then christian. Or work with a better PU. dont burn all the bridges with people and then maybe they will be happy to work with you

[Jambier]

That will put him 4.5 points ahead, still he will need to win the next race
But all will be good the next race.

No, it would put him 9 points ahead.

he lost 5 points to Max in Belgium
he would gain 3 points in Brazil
Max would lose 1 point in Brazil.

+ imagine if Max got DSQ'ed on last Sunday. That would have been the championship

And in Silverstone HAM gained 32 points.

Hamilton win the title with two things:

- Being able to answer to Max in Silverstone and gain 32 points
- Brazil Mercedes dominating again like 2020

The other way to see it is Max too agressive on Hamilton since season start, was not clever enough on Silverstone.
For the dominating Mercedes, Max couldn't do anything

[Jambier]

Here we go with Horner's whining...

Christian Horner: "They changed the layout (Abu Dhabi) and unfortunately the engine speed that Hamilton has is unraceable. I mean he was a second quicker (Jeddah S2 / S3), Max would pull half a second by T13. You can’t defend against that."

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3NFMQBiNDtEHpocUqnH60y

Build a better car then christian. Or work with a better PU. dont burn all the bridges with people and then maybe they will be happy to work with you

Yes but it is understandable that RB and VER are very bitter to have lose this year, it was the ONLY chance for them, Honda gave everything for 2021, as well as RB and VER.

And at the end, this is still not enough, Merc/Ham domination still unbeaten.

Now 2022 should change that, but I don't see RB in the mix for victory next year

[WaikeCU]

Here we go with Horner's whining...

Build a better car then christian. Or work with a better PU. dont burn all the bridges with people and then maybe they will be happy to work with you

Yes but it is understandable that RB and VER are very bitter to have lose this year, it was the ONLY chance for them, Honda gave everything for 2021, as well as RB and VER.

And at the end, this is still not enough, Merc/Ham domination still unbeaten.

Now 2022 should change that, but I don't see RB in the mix for victory next year

Maybe the reason they are so bitter, is because RB thought they had Merc on the ropes, so they shifted development focus to this season knowing there's 2 Championships they can win. But now reality hits (since Brazil) that Merc has an even more powerful car than pre-Brazil and that worries RB actually that this season is slipping away. The chance this season goes begging and they might not have a dominant car yet next season, just because of the main focus on this season.

[Jambier]

Build a better car then christian. Or work with a better PU. dont burn all the bridges with people and then maybe they will be happy to work with you

Yes but it is understandable that RB and VER are very bitter to have lose this year, it was the ONLY chance for them, Honda gave everything for 2021, as well as RB and VER.

And at the end, this is still not enough, Merc/Ham domination still unbeaten.

Now 2022 should change that, but I don't see RB in the mix for victory next year

Maybe the reason they are so bitter, is because RB thought they had Merc on the ropes, so they shifted development focus to this season knowing there's 2 Championships they can win. But now reality hits (since Brazil) that Merc has an even more powerful car than pre-Brazil and that worries RB actually that this season is slipping away. The chance this season goes begging and they might not have a dominant car yet next season, just because of the main focus on this season.

Yes I totally agree, but Red Bull was really "light" on comitement thinking that the best team since 8 years will just no fighting.

- Yes RB was a bit better at the start
- They should have known that Mercedes will fight back, improve, and push really hard

Even with the Silverstone situation aside, if the Red Bull was good enough in the end of the championship VER would have been able to fight with Mercedes.
This is not the case, and they probably know that HONDA will not have pushed as hard for 2022 as they are retiring.

[WaikeCU]

Yes but it is understandable that RB and VER are very bitter to have lose this year, it was the ONLY chance for them, Honda gave everything for 2021, as well as RB and VER.

And at the end, this is still not enough, Merc/Ham domination still unbeaten.

Now 2022 should change that, but I don't see RB in the mix for victory next year

Maybe the reason they are so bitter, is because RB thought they had Merc on the ropes, so they shifted development focus to this season knowing there's 2 Championships they can win. But now reality hits (since Brazil) that Merc has an even more powerful car than pre-Brazil and that worries RB actually that this season is slipping away. The chance this season goes begging and they might not have a dominant car yet next season, just because of the main focus on this season.

Yes I totally agree, but Red Bull was really "light" on comitement thinking that the best team since 8 years will just no fighting.

- Yes RB was a bit better at the start
- They should have known that Mercedes will fight back, improve, and push really hard

Even with the Silverstone situation aside, if the Red Bull was good enough in the end of the championship VER would have been able to fight with Mercedes.
This is not the case, and they probably know that HONDA will not have pushed as hard for 2022 as they are retiring.

Hence the Toto talk or Lewis talk that they haven't done much on the car update wise, while they still point at RB having improved their car each time and the lack of updates are really hurting them

+

The upgrade tokens for this season that was unclear on how Merc used them, might point why. I think for 75-80% of the season, Merc maybe haven't done much on the car and just did 'enough' to be in it for a fight. Come Brazil, They've maybe finally applied upgrade tokens on their car, but most work done underneath the bonnet perhaps, meanwhile RB have probably used all their upgrade tokens by then.

I'm guessing, but details of this season might reveal within 10 years or so.

[Tvetovnato]

Soo Christian… it wasn’t because of a flexing wing after all? All the time spent with the FIA to ban something that wasn’t even there must hurt now.

[El Scorchio]

Soo Christian… it wasn’t because of a flexing wing after all? All the time spent with the FIA to ban something that wasn’t even there must hurt now.

He's just doing what Wolff's detractors always accuse him of. Playing down their chances. His claims of straight line speed disparity have been analysed and deconstructed by more than one person since Brazil, haven't they?

[WaikeCU]

Soo Christian… it wasn’t because of a flexing wing after all? All the time spent with the FIA to ban something that wasn’t even there must hurt now.

He's just doing what Wolff's detractors always accuse him of. Playing down their chances. His claims of straight line speed disparity have been analysed and deconstructed by more than one person since Brazil, haven't they?

And all of a sudden if Max wins, it's not the car. It's all Max.

If Lewis wins, it's the far superior car.

Easy no, Christian?