2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

This forum contains threads to discuss teams themselves. Anything not technical about the cars, including restructuring, performances etc belongs here.
User avatar
dans79
246
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:33 pm
Location: USA

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

siskue2005 wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:26 am
ringo wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:16 am
Imagine if Lewis had his 3 points from Brazil sprint race?
And no points were awarded at Spa?
That will put him 4.5 points ahead, still he will need to win the next race
But all will be good the next race. 8)
He doesn't need to win, he just needs to finish with one point more than Max.
183 103 103 7

User avatar
dans79
246
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:33 pm
Location: USA

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

siskue2005 wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:26 am
ringo wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:16 am
Imagine if Lewis had his 3 points from Brazil sprint race?
And no points were awarded at Spa?
That will put him 4.5 points ahead, still he will need to win the next race
But all will be good the next race. 8)
He doesn't need to win, he just needs to finish with one point more than Max.
183 103 103 7

User avatar
NathanOlder
48
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:05 am
Location: Kent

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

siskue2005 wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:26 am
ringo wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:16 am
Imagine if Lewis had his 3 points from Brazil sprint race?
And no points were awarded at Spa?
That will put him 4.5 points ahead, still he will need to win the next race
But all will be good the next race. 8)
No, it would put him 9 points ahead.

he lost 5 points to Max in Belgium
he would gain 3 points in Brazil
Max would lose 1 point in Brazil.
GoLandoGo
Lewis v2.0
King George has arrived.

New found love for GT racing with Assetto Corsa Competizione on PS5 & PC

e30ernest
e30ernest
26
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:47 am

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

On the lighter side of things


User avatar
WaikeCU
14
Joined: Tue May 13, 2014 11:03 pm

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:50 am
siskue2005 wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:26 am
ringo wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:16 am
Imagine if Lewis had his 3 points from Brazil sprint race?
And no points were awarded at Spa?
That will put him 4.5 points ahead, still he will need to win the next race
But all will be good the next race. 8)
No, it would put him 9 points ahead.

he lost 5 points to Max in Belgium
he would gain 3 points in Brazil
Max would lose 1 point in Brazil.
+ imagine if Max got DSQ'ed on last Sunday. That would have been the championship :roll: :lol:

User avatar
pursue_one's
57
Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:50 am

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

Here we go with Horner's whining...
Christian Horner: "They changed the layout (Abu Dhabi) and unfortunately the engine speed that Hamilton has is unraceable. I mean he was a second quicker (Jeddah S2 / S3), Max would pull half a second by T13. You can’t defend against that."

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3NFMQBiNDtEHpocUqnH60y

User avatar
NathanOlder
48
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:05 am
Location: Kent

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

pursue_one's wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:47 am
Here we go with Horner's whining...
Christian Horner: "They changed the layout (Abu Dhabi) and unfortunately the engine speed that Hamilton has is unraceable. I mean he was a second quicker (Jeddah S2 / S3), Max would pull half a second by T13. You can’t defend against that."

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3NFMQBiNDtEHpocUqnH60y
Build a better car then christian. Or work with a better PU. dont burn all the bridges with people and then maybe they will be happy to work with you
GoLandoGo
Lewis v2.0
King George has arrived.

New found love for GT racing with Assetto Corsa Competizione on PS5 & PC

User avatar
Jambier
4
Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:02 am
Location: France

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

WaikeCU wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:33 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:50 am
siskue2005 wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:26 am

That will put him 4.5 points ahead, still he will need to win the next race
But all will be good the next race. 8)
No, it would put him 9 points ahead.

he lost 5 points to Max in Belgium
he would gain 3 points in Brazil
Max would lose 1 point in Brazil.
+ imagine if Max got DSQ'ed on last Sunday. That would have been the championship :roll: :lol:
And in Silverstone HAM gained 32 points.

Hamilton win the title with two things:

- Being able to answer to Max in Silverstone and gain 32 points
- Brazil Mercedes dominating again like 2020

The other way to see it is Max too agressive on Hamilton since season start, was not clever enough on Silverstone.
For the dominating Mercedes, Max couldn't do anything

User avatar
Jambier
4
Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:02 am
Location: France

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:12 am
pursue_one's wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:47 am
Here we go with Horner's whining...
Christian Horner: "They changed the layout (Abu Dhabi) and unfortunately the engine speed that Hamilton has is unraceable. I mean he was a second quicker (Jeddah S2 / S3), Max would pull half a second by T13. You can’t defend against that."

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3NFMQBiNDtEHpocUqnH60y
Build a better car then christian. Or work with a better PU. dont burn all the bridges with people and then maybe they will be happy to work with you
Yes but it is understandable that RB and VER are very bitter to have lose this year, it was the ONLY chance for them, Honda gave everything for 2021, as well as RB and VER.

And at the end, this is still not enough, Merc/Ham domination still unbeaten.

Now 2022 should change that, but I don't see RB in the mix for victory next year

User avatar
WaikeCU
14
Joined: Tue May 13, 2014 11:03 pm

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

Jambier wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:16 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:12 am
pursue_one's wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:47 am
Here we go with Horner's whining...

Build a better car then christian. Or work with a better PU. dont burn all the bridges with people and then maybe they will be happy to work with you
Yes but it is understandable that RB and VER are very bitter to have lose this year, it was the ONLY chance for them, Honda gave everything for 2021, as well as RB and VER.

And at the end, this is still not enough, Merc/Ham domination still unbeaten.

Now 2022 should change that, but I don't see RB in the mix for victory next year
Maybe the reason they are so bitter, is because RB thought they had Merc on the ropes, so they shifted development focus to this season knowing there's 2 Championships they can win. But now reality hits (since Brazil) that Merc has an even more powerful car than pre-Brazil and that worries RB actually that this season is slipping away. The chance this season goes begging and they might not have a dominant car yet next season, just because of the main focus on this season.

User avatar
Jambier
4
Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:02 am
Location: France

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

WaikeCU wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:19 am
Jambier wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:16 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:12 am


Build a better car then christian. Or work with a better PU. dont burn all the bridges with people and then maybe they will be happy to work with you
Yes but it is understandable that RB and VER are very bitter to have lose this year, it was the ONLY chance for them, Honda gave everything for 2021, as well as RB and VER.

And at the end, this is still not enough, Merc/Ham domination still unbeaten.

Now 2022 should change that, but I don't see RB in the mix for victory next year
Maybe the reason they are so bitter, is because RB thought they had Merc on the ropes, so they shifted development focus to this season knowing there's 2 Championships they can win. But now reality hits (since Brazil) that Merc has an even more powerful car than pre-Brazil and that worries RB actually that this season is slipping away. The chance this season goes begging and they might not have a dominant car yet next season, just because of the main focus on this season.
Yes I totally agree, but Red Bull was really "light" on comitement thinking that the best team since 8 years will just no fighting.

- Yes RB was a bit better at the start
- They should have known that Mercedes will fight back, improve, and push really hard

Even with the Silverstone situation aside, if the Red Bull was good enough in the end of the championship VER would have been able to fight with Mercedes.
This is not the case, and they probably know that HONDA will not have pushed as hard for 2022 as they are retiring.

User avatar
WaikeCU
14
Joined: Tue May 13, 2014 11:03 pm

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

Jambier wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:23 am
WaikeCU wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:19 am
Jambier wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:16 am


Yes but it is understandable that RB and VER are very bitter to have lose this year, it was the ONLY chance for them, Honda gave everything for 2021, as well as RB and VER.

And at the end, this is still not enough, Merc/Ham domination still unbeaten.

Now 2022 should change that, but I don't see RB in the mix for victory next year
Maybe the reason they are so bitter, is because RB thought they had Merc on the ropes, so they shifted development focus to this season knowing there's 2 Championships they can win. But now reality hits (since Brazil) that Merc has an even more powerful car than pre-Brazil and that worries RB actually that this season is slipping away. The chance this season goes begging and they might not have a dominant car yet next season, just because of the main focus on this season.
Yes I totally agree, but Red Bull was really "light" on comitement thinking that the best team since 8 years will just no fighting.

- Yes RB was a bit better at the start
- They should have known that Mercedes will fight back, improve, and push really hard

Even with the Silverstone situation aside, if the Red Bull was good enough in the end of the championship VER would have been able to fight with Mercedes.
This is not the case, and they probably know that HONDA will not have pushed as hard for 2022 as they are retiring.
Hence the Toto talk or Lewis talk that they haven't done much on the car update wise, while they still point at RB having improved their car each time and the lack of updates are really hurting them

+

The upgrade tokens for this season that was unclear on how Merc used them, might point why. I think for 75-80% of the season, Merc maybe haven't done much on the car and just did 'enough' to be in it for a fight. Come Brazil, They've maybe finally applied upgrade tokens on their car, but most work done underneath the bonnet perhaps, meanwhile RB have probably used all their upgrade tokens by then.

I'm guessing, but details of this season might reveal within 10 years or so.

Tvetovnato
Tvetovnato
1
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:03 pm

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post



Soo Christian… it wasn’t because of a flexing wing after all? All the time spent with the FIA to ban something that wasn’t even there must hurt now.

User avatar
El Scorchio
20
Joined: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:41 am

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

Tvetovnato wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:35 am


Soo Christian… it wasn’t because of a flexing wing after all? All the time spent with the FIA to ban something that wasn’t even there must hurt now.
He's just doing what Wolff's detractors always accuse him of. Playing down their chances. His claims of straight line speed disparity have been analysed and deconstructed by more than one person since Brazil, haven't they?

User avatar
WaikeCU
14
Joined: Tue May 13, 2014 11:03 pm

Re: 2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

Post

El Scorchio wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:40 am
Tvetovnato wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:35 am


Soo Christian… it wasn’t because of a flexing wing after all? All the time spent with the FIA to ban something that wasn’t even there must hurt now.
He's just doing what Wolff's detractors always accuse him of. Playing down their chances. His claims of straight line speed disparity have been analysed and deconstructed by more than one person since Brazil, haven't they?
And all of a sudden if Max wins, it's not the car. It's all Max.

If Lewis wins, it's the far superior car.

Easy no, Christian? :roll: