CFD - 2022 Ferrari F1-75 (sidepod analysis)

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Vanja #66 wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:18 am
yallkok wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:22 am
You can find some information here: viewtopic.php?t=30214
The conformation of f1-75 sidepods decrease the drag of the rear wheels by lowering their consumption.
I also expect much higher consumption on the rear tires of the W13.
The RB is practically somewhere in between
Why would tyre aerodynamic drag influence tyre degradation?
I believe that greater resistance on the rear wheels (which contribute approximately 20% of total) implies a lower aerodynamic efficiency which usually translates into less traction and on average greater consumption of the wheels and an average greater consumption (SF1000).
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/energ ... -05183.pdf

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yallkok wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:51 am
I believe that greater resistance on the rear wheels (which contribute approximately 20% of total) implies a lower aerodynamic efficiency which usually translates into less traction and on average greater consumption of the wheels and an average greater consumption (SF1000).
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/energ ... -05183.pdf
That could be the case, but not always. The fact is - good aero load on the rear tyres is good for tyre degradation. You could have more drag and worse efficiency and still carry more downforce and extend tyre life with it.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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yallkok wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:22 am
Mchamilton wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:07 pm
yallkok wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:11 pm
I believe that the advantage of the F1-75 sidepods will materialize with the increase in temperatures and the consequent greater wear of the rear tires.
I think that in the SF they expected a higher consumption of tires also in these first 2 gp.
Especially in the second gp the Safety car upset their plans ...reducing tire wear
Why do you expect this concept to aid rear tyre degredation?
You can find some information here: viewtopic.php?t=30214
The conformation of f1-75 sidepods decrease the drag of the rear wheels by lowering their consumption.
I also expect much higher consumption on the rear tires of the W13.
The RB is practically somewhere in between
No i think youve misunderstood what Vanja has presented. A reduction in aero drag on the rear wheels, because theres less air physically hitting the tyre face, will have no bearing on tyre wear.
If anything it may have a tiny detremental effect on tyre wear as there could be less tyre surface cooling on the straights.

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yallkok wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:51 am
Vanja #66 wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:18 am
yallkok wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:22 am
You can find some information here: viewtopic.php?t=30214
The conformation of f1-75 sidepods decrease the drag of the rear wheels by lowering their consumption.
I also expect much higher consumption on the rear tires of the W13.
The RB is practically somewhere in between
Why would tyre aerodynamic drag influence tyre degradation?
I believe that greater resistance on the rear wheels (which contribute approximately 20% of total) implies a lower aerodynamic efficiency which usually translates into less traction and on average greater consumption of the wheels and an average greater consumption (SF1000).
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/energ ... -05183.pdf
Why does a lower aerodynamic efficiency lead to less traction? You can have less efficiency and the same downforce. Which is quite probably the mercedes case as theyre not far behind in the corners, yet miles behind in the straight.. Which points to just being less efficient

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Mchamilton wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:18 pm
yallkok wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:51 am
Vanja #66 wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:18 am


Why would tyre aerodynamic drag influence tyre degradation?
I believe that greater resistance on the rear wheels (which contribute approximately 20% of total) implies a lower aerodynamic efficiency which usually translates into less traction and on average greater consumption of the wheels and an average greater consumption (SF1000).
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/energ ... -05183.pdf
Why does a lower aerodynamic efficiency lead to less traction? You can have less efficiency and the same downforce. Which is quite probably the mercedes case as theyre not far behind in the corners, yet miles behind in the straight.. Which points to just being less efficient
I believe that a worse aerodynamic efficiency at the rear with the same load of the competitors means a higher consumption of the rear tires given by an insufficient incidence of the rear wing.
To make up for this inefficiency you need to have more rear wings and a super engine.
Currently the F1-75 generates a high vertical load, but not with the bottom as the RB does.
The RB, in fact, is faster on the forehand, but it has a higher consumption than the SF both for the weight and for a greater Drag which forces it to have a more discharged rear wing.
With the optimization of the bottom of the car and the maximum available power, I believe that the F1-75 is on average 1 second faster than its competitors.
The next GPs will tell if I'm wrong or not

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yallkok wrote:
Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:26 am
Mchamilton wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:18 pm
yallkok wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:51 am


I believe that greater resistance on the rear wheels (which contribute approximately 20% of total) implies a lower aerodynamic efficiency which usually translates into less traction and on average greater consumption of the wheels and an average greater consumption (SF1000).
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/energ ... -05183.pdf
Why does a lower aerodynamic efficiency lead to less traction? You can have less efficiency and the same downforce. Which is quite probably the mercedes case as theyre not far behind in the corners, yet miles behind in the straight.. Which points to just being less efficient
I believe that a worse aerodynamic efficiency at the rear with the same load of the competitors means a higher consumption of the rear tires given by an insufficient incidence of the rear wing.
To make up for this inefficiency you need to have more rear wings and a super engine.
Currently the F1-75 generates a high vertical load, but not with the bottom as the RB does.
The RB, in fact, is faster on the forehand, but it has a higher consumption than the SF both for the weight and for a greater Drag which forces it to have a more discharged rear wing.
With the optimization of the bottom of the car and the maximum available power, I believe that the F1-75 is on average 1 second faster than its competitors.
The next GPs will tell if I'm wrong or not
What's to stop others from optimizing their floors further, and unleash more available power?
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godlameroso wrote:
Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:00 pm
yallkok wrote:
Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:26 am
Mchamilton wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:18 pm


Why does a lower aerodynamic efficiency lead to less traction? You can have less efficiency and the same downforce. Which is quite probably the mercedes case as theyre not far behind in the corners, yet miles behind in the straight.. Which points to just being less efficient
I believe that a worse aerodynamic efficiency at the rear with the same load of the competitors means a higher consumption of the rear tires given by an insufficient incidence of the rear wing.
To make up for this inefficiency you need to have more rear wings and a super engine.
Currently the F1-75 generates a high vertical load, but not with the bottom as the RB does.
The RB, in fact, is faster on the forehand, but it has a higher consumption than the SF both for the weight and for a greater Drag which forces it to have a more discharged rear wing.
With the optimization of the bottom of the car and the maximum available power, I believe that the F1-75 is on average 1 second faster than its competitors.
The next GPs will tell if I'm wrong or not
What's to stop others from optimizing their floors further, and unleash more available power?
Aerodynamic potential, reliability and development block
The change of rules is clearly in SF's favor and I believe they therefore have a huge technical advantage over the others.
I think they are hiding so as not to lose interest in the world championship

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Thanks for sharing!
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Isn't this just a rehash of the work Vanja had already done on the forum? I guess it's good to get it out there though.
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Just wondering if there has been any more CFD runs on the sidepods - specifically the W13 updated ones to go along with all the others in this thread?
Felipe Baby!

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SiLo wrote:
Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:41 pm
Just wondering if there has been any more CFD runs on the sidepods - specifically the W13 updated ones to go along with all the others in this thread?
Unfortunately, no. For a while now I've got a lot of other things to take care of, both professionally and privately, so no time for this. :(
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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#DwarvesAreNaturalSprinters
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