Alpine A522

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Good for them to chew up the new Pirellis :wink:

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AR3-GP wrote:
Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:35 pm
The splitter stay appears designed to flex. It could be a section of "Spring steel".
Still looks too thick and stiff to me : P
Maybe the real spring is placed higher and is pushed by that stay.

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Blackout wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:08 pm
AR3-GP wrote:
Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:35 pm
The splitter stay appears designed to flex. It could be a section of "Spring steel".
Still looks too thick and stiff to me : P
Maybe the real spring is placed higher and is pushed by that stay.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRlc5ViXwAA ... =4096x4096

You realise 2022 safety cell is longer and wider than the 2014 caterham right?
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jjn9128 wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:30 pm
Blackout wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:08 pm
AR3-GP wrote:
Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:35 pm
The splitter stay appears designed to flex. It could be a section of "Spring steel".
Still looks too thick and stiff to me : P
Maybe the real spring is placed higher and is pushed by that stay.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRlc5ViXwAA ... =4096x4096

You realise 2022 safety cell is longer and wider than the 2014 caterham right?
Yes. But the differences arent huge IMO, and it's still useful to get an idea :P

Regarding the floor, there is a detail that often gets overlooked about the Alpine floor cuts, namely their vertical part (colored purple). They sit very low & they kinda look like mini skirts... and like the outwashy front fences of the floor... So I wonder how they work aerodynamically...
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As you see, Alpine added a metallic reinforcement to their leading edge in Imola... so maybe they (also) act like those RB18 skids (blue arrow) that supposedly maintain a minimum floor height there ?
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Blackout wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 3:34 pm
jjn9128 wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:30 pm
Blackout wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:08 pm

Still looks too thick and stiff to me : P
Maybe the real spring is placed higher and is pushed by that stay.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRlc5ViXwAA ... =4096x4096

You realise 2022 safety cell is longer and wider than the 2014 caterham right?
Yes. But the differences arent huge IMO, and it's still useful to get an idea :P

Regarding the floor, there is a detail that often gets overlooked about the Alpine floor cuts, namely their vertical part (colored purple). They sit very low & they kinda look like mini skirts... and like the outwashy front fences of the floor... So I wonder how they work aerodynamically...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRwmFdJXsAI ... name=large

As you see, Alpine added a metallic reinforcement to their leading edge in Imola... so maybe they (also) act like those RB18 skids (blue arrow) that supposedly maintain a minimum floor height there ?
Piola /Motorsport - @NicolasF1i - Nextgen-Auto
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRwntxPWYAE ... =4096x4096
So I thought those slits in the floor are just another place where the air exits from under the floor, like the front. They act like a diffuser, creating downforce there. I though that was why they spread the slots further apart and made the rear one longer, get a better spread of the downforce.

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Return of the Melborne flicks


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New Vulcan Rear wing.
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Front view of the floor without the wing.

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the new rear wing looks more like a traditional rear wing.

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Euggh that square edge. Like nails on a chalkboard.

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AR3-GP wrote:
Sat May 07, 2022 1:36 am
Euggh that square edge. Like nails on a chalkboard.
Think it reduces drag. Surprised the regulations allow it.

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diffuser wrote:
Sat May 07, 2022 2:55 am
AR3-GP wrote:
Sat May 07, 2022 1:36 am
Euggh that square edge. Like nails on a chalkboard.
Think it reduces drag. Surprised the regulations allow it.
So did they get it by getting the curvature in the horizontal plane rather than the vertical (I thought it needed to be there, and vertical, but didn't look it up in the rulebook). The rounded edge is specifically to make shedding vortices less doable, so I suppose this is clever, and helps there, but also against the spirit of the rules (so FIA might in time amend rule to disallow if it works, I think).
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Sat May 07, 2022 11:18 am
indeed, if it works it might be a pretty big thing. And presumably relatively easy for others to follow, so if it is detrimental to the wake, I think the FIA would possibly step in to stop it. But for now, clever.

Also, It is interesting how quickly we got used to seeing those rounded edges of the rear wings that now this looks so odd, isn't it!