I'm not convinced it's suspension (well, this is circular..). Aston Martin have the same suspension as Mercedes and don't have the problems ever since they brought the new package.AMG.Tzan wrote: βSat Jun 18, 2022 11:04 pmAfter 3 races in 3 quite different track layouts (though all of them bumpy) it's quite clear that Barcelona's upgrade hasn't done much to improve this car...
The main problem I think is suspension and not so much the floor! If they manage to build a better suspension system like Red Bull's then they'll solve over half of their problems (too stiff suspension --> bouncing + porpoising --> uncomfortable ride --> less confidence for the drivers)
Anyway, I don't see this concept working any time soon! They'll need a whole new aero and suspension concept for 2023 to even be able to fight RB and Ferrari...
Was wondering why I felt there was such a consistent difference in their lap times.pursue_one's wrote: βSat Jun 18, 2022 11:35 pmLewis has a low downforce setup in Quali
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Can confirm Lewis' car was bouncing more on the straight than George. Unsure about where George was bouncing the mostPlatinumZealot wrote: βSun Jun 19, 2022 1:08 amBoth Bounce, Lewis more on the straight, George bouncing in turn 9 IIRC.
HAM didnβt drive that wing config in FP3, no? That means heβs tasked with validating the new floor in 1. In 2 they give him an experimental setup; 3 is washed out, but they still change the wing again for quali. No real opportunity to bed in all wkend, but heyβ¦ hereβs another spec youβve never driven, just in time for fast laps in quali! Madnesspursue_one's wrote: βSat Jun 18, 2022 11:35 pmLewis has a low downforce setup in Quali
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Interesting then, as more downforce usually creates more bouncing, but Lewis is bouncing more with the lower downforce wing.organic wrote: βSun Jun 19, 2022 1:09 amCan confirm Lewis' car was bouncing more on the straight than George. Unsure about where George was bouncing the mostPlatinumZealot wrote: βSun Jun 19, 2022 1:08 amBoth Bounce, Lewis more on the straight, George bouncing in turn 9 IIRC.
If by working you mean miles off the pace of the front-running teams, then yes, itβs working.AR3-GP wrote: βSat Jun 18, 2022 11:17 pmI'm not convinced it's suspension (well, this is circular..). Aston Martin have the same suspension as Mercedes and don't have the problems ever since they brought the new package.AMG.Tzan wrote: βSat Jun 18, 2022 11:04 pmAfter 3 races in 3 quite different track layouts (though all of them bumpy) it's quite clear that Barcelona's upgrade hasn't done much to improve this car...
The main problem I think is suspension and not so much the floor! If they manage to build a better suspension system like Red Bull's then they'll solve over half of their problems (too stiff suspension --> bouncing + porpoising --> uncomfortable ride --> less confidence for the drivers)
Anyway, I don't see this concept working any time soon! They'll need a whole new aero and suspension concept for 2023 to even be able to fight RB and Ferrari...
It's more a case of, suspension and aero package being incompatible. One can attack the problem in two ways. Fix aero, or fix suspension. It doesn't mean one is bad. It just means they are incompatible with one another. Suspension is working fine on the ASton Martin.
Isn't the bouncing a product of speed? Smaller wings would be higher speed and potentially more bounce?GrizzleBoy wrote: βSun Jun 19, 2022 6:08 amInteresting then, as more downforce usually creates more bouncing, but Lewis is bouncing more with the lower downforce wing.organic wrote: βSun Jun 19, 2022 1:09 amCan confirm Lewis' car was bouncing more on the straight than George. Unsure about where George was bouncing the mostPlatinumZealot wrote: βSun Jun 19, 2022 1:08 amBoth Bounce, Lewis more on the straight, George bouncing in turn 9 IIRC.
Maybe different wings require different suspension stiffness.