A post EV era

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johnny comelately wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:58 am
An historical perspective, the whole lot is good but the EV part starts about 2:45



:wink:
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I am sure he often deliberately says things he doesn't believe - being controversial adds comic effect.
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gruntguru wrote:
Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:32 pm
I am sure he often deliberately says things he doesn't believe - being controversial adds comic effect.
Too bad such things may sway public opinion though, not everyone catches the nuance.

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DChemTech wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:03 am
gruntguru wrote:
Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:32 pm
I am sure he often deliberately says things he doesn't believe - being controversial adds comic effect.
Too bad such things may sway public opinion though, not everyone catches the nuance.
To be fair, ol' Jezza is a classic sardonic Brit, just as Boris is, & neither really expect anything they say
to be taken literally, (or even factually, IMO) as befits their 'Basil Fawlty' public approach persona...
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J.A.W. wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:23 am
DChemTech wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:03 am
gruntguru wrote:
Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:32 pm
I am sure he often deliberately says things he doesn't believe - being controversial adds comic effect.
Too bad such things may sway public opinion though, not everyone catches the nuance.
To be fair, ol' Jezza is a classic sardonic Brit, just as Boris is, & neither really expect anything they say
to be taken literally, (or even factually, IMO) as befits their 'Basil Fawlty' public approach persona...
All responses from either should be prefaced by the thought “Ask a fool a question…”
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johnny comelately wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:19 pm
Speaking of recycling, here's a disassembly of Tesla's newest battery pack, which is non-servicable:



It is not recyclable in the sense of how me might be familiar with recycling. It would apparently require a sophisticated or specialized facility wherein the pack is submerged in liquid nitrogen, pulverized, then submerged in baths to extract component materials based on their density. On ICE road vehicles drivetrain component recycling is far more simple due to the use of discrete homogenous materials for most parts of the drivetrain, with the control electronics being the only comparable components in terms of recycling difficulty. Think of a battery pack as a giant PCB, in that sense.

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Recycling is going to be a bit of a game but it's better than going out and mining for fresh ore and then processing that to get out what you need.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:35 pm
Recycling is going to be a bit of a game but it's better than going out and mining for fresh ore and then processing that to get out what you need.
Governments need to be in there quite soon stipulating making it easier for recycling.
The vid looks like it is just about a new floor for the car and not possible to recover easily.
OK now, but in several years that battery pack is going to need replacing or be inefficient.

I would prefer to see it have a 'second life' of say 5 more years rather than scrap it due to the cost and complexity of renewing the battery.
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There is a chance for a good (lengthy) 2nd life for use a solar stores for domestic use.
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People seem rather keen on attaching failing highly inflammable batteries to their houses.I wonder what the insurance people will have to say?

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Stu wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:14 pm
There is a chance for a good (lengthy) 2nd life for use a solar stores for domestic use.
But that is not eco friendly if you have to scrap off the car to get the battery pack.
If the battery pack life is supposed to be (say) 10 years it is probable that in 6 years a better pack will be available so it should be possible to upgrade at a moderate cost (above the new battery price) and release the 'old' pack for repurposing without scrapping the vehicle, which looking at that vid, seems likely with that arrangement.

It seems the outer casing of the battery pack is the actual floor of the car. Once this is disturbed the whole body needs re-jigging and would be insurance classed as a write off.
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Greg Locock wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:05 pm
People seem rather keen on attaching failing highly inflammable batteries to their houses.I wonder what the insurance people will have to say?
The newer batteries and upcoming ones are far more resistant to that. It'll becoming a thing of the past in the next few years.

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Dernie Ecclestone wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:59 pm
johnny comelately wrote:
Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:19 pm
Speaking of recycling, here's a disassembly of Tesla's newest battery pack, which is non-servicable:



It is not recyclable in the sense of how me might be familiar with recycling. It would apparently require a sophisticated or specialized facility wherein the pack is submerged in liquid nitrogen, pulverized, then submerged in baths to extract component materials based on their density. On ICE road vehicles drivetrain component recycling is far more simple due to the use of discrete homogenous materials for most parts of the drivetrain, with the control electronics being the only comparable components in terms of recycling difficulty. Think of a battery pack as a giant PCB, in that sense.
Thanks, very interesting. I guess you should not compare it with the recycling of a traditional ICE, but with the cost of Lithium mining and processing. That in the end determines whether recycling is net positive or not.

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Greg Locock wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:05 pm
People seem rather keen on attaching failing highly inflammable batteries to their houses.I wonder what the insurance people will have to say?
What, as opposed to parking a vehicle with a tank full of highly flammable liquid in the garage?

"I don't like something so I'll make up some rubbish to support my view".

ICE are just as dangerous as an EV near a house.
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