Yes, that's why I said "Cap ex".
Yes, that's why I said "Cap ex".
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Seems we watched different seasons last year.Sieper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:00 pmWhat Max achieved last year against such a fantastic driver in a car that was often times better than his’ and by end of season totally dominant is incredible. Especially after he also could not finish his race twice in a row (whilst “just one DNF” was needed).
Edax wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:37 pmFully agree. He deserves quite a lot of credit for his actions. But I think that if things continuing like this with Ves, RB may actually start helping PER to claim second in the championship snd secure the WCC.Sofa King wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:52 pmMarko needs to cut Perez some slack. It’s not clear if Max would have won without Perez giving Max an easy pass on the first lap after Perez had a better start, and then on 41 when Perez almost stopped to keep Max in front while blocking Russell. Not clear if Max would have gotten P1 without Perez and it’s likely Perez lost a podium as a result of the two incidents
Seems not so different? "often times" means that I think most times the Merc was the better car, sometimes the RB. But the difference was mostly small. Except for the end of the season. Brazil, Abu Dhabi, no way for Max to keep up, that was dominant and I know why too. But OK, we have been over that many times already, lets just keep on disagreeing about that please.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:06 pmSeems we watched different seasons last year.Sieper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:00 pmWhat Max achieved last year against such a fantastic driver in a car that was often times better than his’ and by end of season totally dominant is incredible. Especially after he also could not finish his race twice in a row (whilst “just one DNF” was needed).
The cars swapped "the best" depending on track and other factors. Even at the end of the season there wasn't a dominant car between them. The season was one of circumstances and how they fell for the two drivers. A great, competitive season, that's for sure.
I do think that Perez's role in helping Max is forgotten. Sure, he had some poor weekends in 2021 (just as he is this year), but in AD in 2021 I think it was Perez's brilliant bit of defence against Lewis that allowed Max to close up the gap to Lewis and thus prevented Lewis being able to pit during the infamous SC. Without Perez's defence, Lewis would likely have had sufficient lead over Max to take a stop under the SC. With Perez's defence, Max was too close and Lewis couldn't pit. I think Bottas would not have been able / willing to do to Max what Perez did to Lewis.Sieper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:06 pmSeems not so different? "often times" means that I think most times the Merc was the better car, sometimes the RB. But the difference was mostly small. Except for the end of the season. Brazil, Abu Dhabi, no way for Max to keep up, that was dominant and I know why too. But OK, we have been over that many times already, lets just keep on disagreeing about that please.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:06 pmSeems we watched different seasons last year.Sieper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:00 pmWhat Max achieved last year against such a fantastic driver in a car that was often times better than his’ and by end of season totally dominant is incredible. Especially after he also could not finish his race twice in a row (whilst “just one DNF” was needed).
The cars swapped "the best" depending on track and other factors. Even at the end of the season there wasn't a dominant car between them. The season was one of circumstances and how they fell for the two drivers. A great, competitive season, that's for sure.
For me it was clear in most races Max was up against 2 Mercs and I don't feel Bottas is a better driver than Perez. Overall same ballpark imho. That is the main thing where you could see it. This year Perez is oftentimes also in the fight with Hamilton, this year the RB is the better car (not just equalish).
No, it's reality.AR3-GP wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:22 pmThis is quite distant from reality.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:55 pm
I don't remember much, if any, recognition of that help after AD, either from the team or from fans. Perhaps it was there but lost in all of the other shouting that followed the race. S'funny, but although it's a season long title race, it's often individual moments that help to define the eventual outcome.
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:26 pmWow, make a post and then edit it to make it entirely different.AR3-GP wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:22 pmThis is quite distant from reality. You remember what you want to remember because you hate RB.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:55 pm
I don't remember much, if any, recognition of that help after AD, either from the team or from fans. Perhaps it was there but lost in all of the other shouting that followed the race. S'funny, but although it's a season long title race, it's often individual moments that help to define the eventual outcome.
Max and RB paid tribute to Checo's driving in AD at every opportunity. In every interview Max mentioned Checo. Horno and Marko praised him. Fans called him the Mexican Minister of Defense.
It's no surprise, you must have been quite devastated last year at Hamilton's loss so you probably didn't follow anything to do with RB.
My remembering of whether Perez received recognition has nothing to do with hatred. But if it makes you feel better, you carry on believing that.
Edit: and then you edited it again.
I don't really have much clue what you are on about. I posted some text, then added the video.Last edited by AR3-GP on 05 Aug 2022, 11:25, edited 1 time in total.
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It was initially posted as "This is quite distant from reality". I replied to that.AR3-GP wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:31 pmJust_a_fan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:26 pmWow, make a post and then edit it to make it entirely different.AR3-GP wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:22 pm
This is quite distant from reality. You remember what you want to remember because you hate RB.
Max and RB paid tribute to Checo's driving in AD at every opportunity. In every interview Max mentioned Checo. Horno and Marko praised him. Fans called him the Mexican Minister of Defense.
It's no surprise, you must have been quite devastated last year at Hamilton's loss so you probably didn't follow anything to do with RB.
My remembering of whether Perez received recognition has nothing to do with hatred. But if it makes you feel better, you carry on believing that.
Edit: and then you edited it again.I don't really have much clue what you are on about. I posted some text, then added the video.Last edited by AR3-GP on 05 Aug 2022, 11:25, edited 1 time in total.
Edits are unlisted/not recorded if the edited post is still the most recent post in the thread.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:34 pm
It was initially posted as "This is quite distant from reality". I replied to that.
Then you added some invective. I replied to that.
Then you added a video. And I edited my post (and indicated it as such)
Quite why the system only shows one edit is confusing.
Ah, that makes sense.organic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:43 pmEdits are unlisted/not recorded if the edited post is still the most recent post in the thread.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:34 pm
It was initially posted as "This is quite distant from reality". I replied to that.
Then you added some invective. I replied to that.
Then you added a video. And I edited my post (and indicated it as such)
Quite why the system only shows one edit is confusing.