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NL_Fer
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To bad McLaren want to play second fiddle to Redbull, with the RBPT unit.

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Big Tea wrote:
01 Mar 2023, 00:10
'Back in the day' they could have started with new engine/car setup and tested as they developed, or even got a company like Dallara to build a car for them, but the rules now would not allow it, and the way things are, they would probably not get an entry anyway
The rules do allow that. It's just that Dallara builds the HAAS.

However Oreca, who build the Acura ARX-06 LMDh car, do not build a car as far as I know, so they could build an F1 car. :)

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chrisc90 wrote:
04 Feb 2023, 17:15
Agree never going to see Honda and GM work together. Thats a bit like Ferrari using a Mercedes PU in the back. NEVER going to happen.

Maybe Honda should have done more to work with Red Bull. Who I presume are going to still be using their PU in 2026 just with Ford doing a bit of work on the electrical system. Whether Honda or Ford will be better at that only time will tell, but id imagine the Japanese have some very knowledgable people in that neck of the woods.
It could have been that Honda still wanted to make a engine aswell as the hybrid system, which is why it hasnt worked out with the Red Bull plans after RB announced they are making their own PU.

I cant see why Honda wouldnt have wanted to partnership with the best team on the grid over the last 3-4 years. It doesnt make sense not to want your name on the car at the front winning WDC and WCC trophies. its likely Honda doesnt want to just build electrical part but wants its hands on a PU aswell.

My opinion anyway.
Honda has worked with GM before and they can do it again, why not?
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NL_Fer wrote:
01 Mar 2023, 18:57
To bad McLaren want to play second fiddle to Redbull, with the RBPT unit.
It would be terrible to have the tidiest engine (packaging wise) on the grid. 🙄

Especially one that is so far down on power, and so prone to failure.🤣

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The RBPT unit would be a big risk in 2026.
It's a no-brainer to use Honda as a works engine.
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AR3-GP wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 08:25
Yes frightening isn’t it. It sounds like [Aston Martin] want to develop their own rear suspension and gearbox, and that Honda may be on the cards.
That would be super weird, although it's not like Honda and Aston Martin stickers haven't appeared on the same race car before. At this point, Aston Martin Racing certainly seems like the best team without a 2026 engine contract!
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a lot of top level engineers are leaving ferrari maybe Honda should buy alpha tauri and send them there.

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https://www.grandprix.com/news/hondas-2 ... -june.html
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APRIL 9, 2023
Honda's 2026 plans on hold until June

Honda is still considering an official return to Formula One from the start of 2026, but a final decision won't be taken until the middle of June.

Honda's former Technical Director Toyoharu Tanabe has remained in charge of that small group of engineers and has represented Honda in all the meetings of the Formula One Technical Group regarding the definition of the 2026 Power Unit regulations, showing the Japanese manufacturer has clearly kept the door open.

The Sakura-based technical group will now get a very important new element, as Masamitsu Motohashi, who replaced Tanabe at the end of 2021, has completed his final race in Melbourne as head of Honda's trackside operations and has returned to Japan to bring his experience to the Formula One group.

The question remains who would be the potential partner for the Japanese manufacturer to work with and, according to sources close to Honda, the two most likely alternatives are McLaren and Aston Martin.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
09 Mar 2023, 15:23
The RBPT unit would be a big risk in 2026.
It's a no-brainer to use Honda as a works engine.
Why? RBPT have pulled a LOT of staff from other teams in to work on RBPT.

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Adam Cooper raises the point that the potential Aston Martin-Honda pairing of 2026, could actually be a Honda-Honda were Honda to replace Aston Martin as the naming rights sponsor of the team. AFAIK, the fee that Aston Martin pay for naming rights sponsorship is not that large and Honda could indeed budget to pay that.

That seems more plausible than an Aston Martin-Honda arrangement. :)

Paying $60-80m USD per annum in title sponsorship would certainly give Honda a lower risk way to compete in F1 as a " constructor " then stumping up $600-800m USD to buy a team. (And with all due respect, an easier way to get out of being an F1 constructor, when inevitably the time comes for a change of plans again.)

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10458254/

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JordanMugen wrote:
20 Apr 2023, 02:44
Adam Cooper raises the point that the potential Aston Martin-Honda pairing of 2026, could actually be a Honda-Honda were Honda to replace Aston Martin as the naming rights sponsor of the team. AFAIK, the fee that Aston Martin pay for naming rights sponsorship is not that large and Honda could indeed budget to pay that.

That seems more plausible than an Aston Martin-Honda arrangement. :)

Paying $60-80m USD per annum in title sponsorship would certainly give Honda a lower risk way to compete in F1 as a " constructor " then stumping up $600-800m USD to buy a team. (And with all due respect, an easier way to get out of being an F1 constructor, when inevitably the time comes for a change of plans again.)

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10458254/
I don't think Honda is capable of badging an entire constructor. They already did not want to badge the RBPT from 2026.

Furthermore, Lawrence has no incentive to give up the positive branding of the F1 constructor for Aston Martin Lagonda, in which he is also a shareholder.

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Not quite sure to which topic it belongs, but definitely its somewhere where Honda and F1 are present:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-f1-e ... ree-times/

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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Apr 2023, 02:51
JordanMugen wrote:
20 Apr 2023, 02:44
Adam Cooper raises the point that the potential Aston Martin-Honda pairing of 2026, could actually be a Honda-Honda were Honda to replace Aston Martin as the naming rights sponsor of the team. AFAIK, the fee that Aston Martin pay for naming rights sponsorship is not that large and Honda could indeed budget to pay that.

That seems more plausible than an Aston Martin-Honda arrangement. :)

Paying $60-80m USD per annum in title sponsorship would certainly give Honda a lower risk way to compete in F1 as a " constructor " then stumping up $600-800m USD to buy a team. (And with all due respect, an easier way to get out of being an F1 constructor, when inevitably the time comes for a change of plans again.)

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10458254/
I don't think Honda is capable of badging an entire constructor. They already did not want to badge the RBPT from 2026.

Furthermore, Lawrence has no incentive to give up the positive branding of the F1 constructor for Aston Martin Lagonda, in which he is also a shareholder.
Losing F1 branding for AM, in favour of a works engine deal and Honda paying up for developing the custom gearbox the aero department would like to battle Redbull. I don’t think that is a bad deal. And the might change the team name and keep Aston Martin as a title sponsor. Like Aston Martin Racing Point Honda

It didn’t seem to be a problem back with Aston Martin Redbull Racing Honda…

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NL_Fer wrote:
23 Apr 2023, 19:14
AR3-GP wrote:
20 Apr 2023, 02:51
JordanMugen wrote:
20 Apr 2023, 02:44
Adam Cooper raises the point that the potential Aston Martin-Honda pairing of 2026, could actually be a Honda-Honda were Honda to replace Aston Martin as the naming rights sponsor of the team. AFAIK, the fee that Aston Martin pay for naming rights sponsorship is not that large and Honda could indeed budget to pay that.

That seems more plausible than an Aston Martin-Honda arrangement. :)

Paying $60-80m USD per annum in title sponsorship would certainly give Honda a lower risk way to compete in F1 as a " constructor " then stumping up $600-800m USD to buy a team. (And with all due respect, an easier way to get out of being an F1 constructor, when inevitably the time comes for a change of plans again.)

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10458254/
I don't think Honda is capable of badging an entire constructor. They already did not want to badge the RBPT from 2026.

Furthermore, Lawrence has no incentive to give up the positive branding of the F1 constructor for Aston Martin Lagonda, in which he is also a shareholder.
Losing F1 branding for AM, in favour of a works engine deal and Honda paying up for developing the custom gearbox the aero department would like to battle Redbull. I don’t think that is a bad deal. And the might change the team name and keep Aston Martin as a title sponsor. Like Aston Martin Racing Point Honda

It didn’t seem to be a problem back with Aston Martin Redbull Racing Honda…
Aston Martin is a title sponsor (not a team owner) currently. The team owner is Lawrence Stroll. Would Lawrence sell the team to Honda? Well...there's no incentive for Honda to buy the team, if Aston Martin remains as a title sponsor. The current Silverstone team is fully funded and staffed. Honda would want to have their input from Sakura/HRD. It's not compatible. Honda can have their name in the project by way of the engine supply.


The best outcome for Honda is sign an engine deal with AMR. Hopefully they are not too bureaucratic to close the deal.

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Maybe Honda can do the gearbox as well as engine. I think they might like that rather than full car again. But, I don't think there's ever been an engine and gearbox supplier. Is it too tied to suspension design or other elements of the car to be worth farming out? Just curious, I don't know much about it to be honest.

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