2023 Spanish Grand Prix - Catalunya, June 02 - 04

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GR Decision:

Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 20:06
GR Decision:

If it wasn't in the same team and that it didn't effect either drivers qualifying outcome in that session is why no penalty tbh. Think they would rather let the team deal with it internally.

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There are a lot of if's, but's, maybes, and questions to be asked.

Personally, I feel the rules should be applied the same across all drivers/teams on the grid. Whether its a team coming together or across teams. That way the ruling is delivered consistently.

Thats not giving an opinion on whether a penalty was due in GR/LH case mind before people jump on my back.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 20:19
There are a lot of if's, but's, maybes, and questions to be asked.

Personally, I feel the rules should be applied the same across all drivers/teams on the grid. Whether it’s a team coming together or across teams. That way the ruling is delivered consistently.

Thats not giving an opinion on whether a penalty was due in GR/LH case mind before people jump on my back.
Not penalising teammates is pretty much standard practice, why change what isn’t broken

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mkay wrote:
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03 Jun 2023, 17:14
If the RBR picked up 50kg, this would be the best season ever...🤣
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RB is giving away the constructors title if Perez keeps this level up , enough teams which finish with 2 cars easy in points

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wow, I didn't know Helmut Marko is a member on here ;)

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maxxer wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 20:49
RB is giving away the constructors title if Perez keeps this level up , enough teams which finish with 2 cars easy in points
Perez needs to stop making the silly mistakes and close in another tenth or 2 to Max.

He has the car to make up ground tomorrow from P11. There is literally no excuse not to be fighting for a podium spot tomorrow with the car he has under him.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 20:51
maxxer wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 20:49
RB is giving away the constructors title if Perez keeps this level up , enough teams which finish with 2 cars easy in points
Perez needs to stop making the silly mistakes and close in another tenth or 2 to Max.

He has the car to make up ground tomorrow from P11. There is literally no excuse not to be fighting for a podium spot tomorrow with the car he has under him.
Yes true he will have to get back into the points with that car. If he doesnt reach a podium place , but the field is so close the except for Max

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InsaneX_Badger wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 20:11
chrisc90 wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 20:06
GR Decision:

If it wasn't in the same team and that it didn't effect either drivers qualifying outcome in that session is why no penalty tbh. Think they would rather let the team deal with it internally.
The thing about investigations involving teammates is that both drivers will go to the stewards and say no one is at fault and no penalty is needed because either driving getting a penalty is bad for the team.

How can stewards issue penalty when both drivers and team reps say no offense was committed and that it was purely a misunderstanding.
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chrisc90 wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 20:51
maxxer wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 20:49
RB is giving away the constructors title if Perez keeps this level up , enough teams which finish with 2 cars easy in points
Perez needs to stop making the silly mistakes and close in another tenth or 2 to Max.

He has the car to make up ground tomorrow from P11. There is literally no excuse not to be fighting for a podium spot tomorrow with the car he has under him.
I don’t know if it’s pressure to deliver after Miami that’s gotten to him!

At Monaco surely he wanted and was expected to deliver given the fact he’s always fast around street circuits and maybe his crash can be explained! But Barcelona is a different race and his performance reminds me of the time Gasly and Albon was there…

Even though he’s got a Red Bull under him I still find it a bit difficult for him tomorrow to beat Alonso, Sainz or Hamilton to the podium!

Weather will play a big role too! Any rain forecast for tomorrow?? Would make for a nice spice up!
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He crashed in Q1 Australia too, just got away with it because of the late red flag restart gifting a few places.

3rd race of season - Q1 exit, 5th race - Q1 exit, 6th race - Q2 exit.

He's been fairly consistent with making mistakes now that he's under the pressure of a title fight.

Anyway here's the provisional grid after gasly's 6 place penalty (2x 3 place for impeding).

With the long run it would be favourable to start on the clean side

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Does anyone know exactly where Lewis has been gaining time through sector 1 of this track to be consistently posting purple sectors?

The whole problem with the W13 / W14 v1.0 was assumed to be drag and low top speeds.

Given that sector 1 is basically a fast final corner that leads into the main straight, followed by mostly medium/fast corners, is it safe to sat that drag issues have been sorted?

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organic wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 21:29
He crashed in Q1 Australia too, just got away with it because of the late red flag restart gifting a few places.

3rd race of season - Q1 exit, 5th race - Q1 exit, 6th race - Q2 exit.

He's been fairly consistent with making mistakes now that he's under the pressure of a title fight
Continue like this, and you know Danny Ric will be getting the nod for, 24’

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 21:35
Does anyone know exactly where Lewis has been gaining time through sector 1 of this track to be consistently posting purple sectors?

The whole problem with the W13 / W14 v1.0 was assumed to be drag and low top speeds.

Lando and max shared the purples in the end.
Given that sector 1 is basically a fast final corner that leads into the main straight, followed by mostly medium/fast corners, is it safe to sat that drag issues have been sorted?
Which laps were purple? Looked like lando and max had the best ones at the very end.
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