Engine usage in '09

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Kubica will, i feel try and use one engine above the 2500km lifespan, posibly try 2800 or even take it into the 3000km mark to avoid the 2 engine penaltys he will inevitibly have to take.

I feel that Sutil and Vettel will both take a engine penalty each. But i feel that they can just about get there with some really creative engine management.

Toyota could be in real trouble, altho most relyable at the moment, that fact they will eventually soon have used up all 8 and not have at least 1 frest block for the last 2 races, as i think that could be needed for all teams.

I can see Toro Rosso ending the season by just using the 7 or even 6 engines. if they keep up the 3 races per engine work they have been doing so far. BUT this is the thing, if Red Bull have Vettel in the hunt for the title towards the end of they year, they will give all the support to STR to set up the STR4/RB5 and i can see those 2 fresh blocks being the diffrence to them as they will be needed to keep the Brawns futher down the grid and make it difficult for Jenson. Hence why Red Bull have part worn in a engine for Vettel and 2 for Webber, keep them fresh for the end of the season, posibly for use at Brazil to keep a fresh block for Yas Island.

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All stats up on the main page of the site now:

http://www.f1technical.net/articles/12613

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Why the hell are all these BMW lumps blowing up? The RPM limit has been lowered to 18K rpm, and yet they keep blowing them up, well I should say Kubica keeps blowing them up, cuz Nick has stayed "out of the Blue"

Vettle has dropped a couple too, I think they should use that #2 block for a couple more practice sessions, or for Singapore or some rain race.

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I think that Kubicas driving style is to blame. He is too aggressive for the P86/9 with the charicteristics of the F1.09.

Vettel could be blamed on driving style also, but to a lesser extent as the first problem he had was to do with the engine drive shaft boot problem relating to the CV Joints that Red Bull use for the Renault R27 engine. However the first engine to blow with Vettel had reached the end of its life cycle anyways after running for 3 race weekends anyways.

Sutils problems have just been out of sheer bad luck, Trulli T-Boning him at Barcelona and the brake failure in Q3 at Silverstone that screpped the 3 chassis and FO108W in that chassis at the time. The Gearbox was the only bit of that accedent that survived.

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yeah but Webber got 700 more miles on an engine 3 than VEttle got on engine 1 before he blew it, that is at least 2 fridays worth of running which is a good amount when you consider you only get 8 total.

I'm sure Webber will be going back and putting more miles on his engines 1 & 2

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Im shure that Webber is going to do at least one more race on 2 and posibly 2 more on 1. But im shure that 1 will get 1 race and 1 friday running before a new block is put in towards the end of the season.

One notible mention is that Buttons #3 is the only engine in history to run in, and win 3 GPs in a row. The first engine to run 3 concecutive was DC last year at Magney Cours, Silverstone and Hockenhim.

So far this year theyre is a 4.92% chance of a engine failure. Whitch would be less if Sutil had a little more luck.

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Did JB's #3 also run friday practice on those same GP weekends?

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Massive, and i mean massive update on the way. Have just totaly taken my figures appart and started from scratch, things look miles better now.

May even go back to last years reports and do them as well, just to see if there is a pattern between the 2 seasons.

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ESPImperium wrote:Massive, and i mean massive update on the way. Have just totaly taken my figures appart and started from scratch, things look miles better now.

May even go back to last years reports and do them as well, just to see if there is a pattern between the 2 seasons.

That would be amazing , really amazing =D> , i am looking forward for the update


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Last Years are gonna be a lot harder than this current year.

The only help im gonna need is for someone to go back and get the ammount of laps every driver did at each track over each weekend last year. Then its easy from then on.

Im also getting gearbox data for this season up as well, might try some usage data with that as well.

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Heres the data:

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Next F1 project, 2008 engine usage data. Thats he hard one. 2009 was pretty easy to set up, 2008 aint as simple.

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On my way for 2008/2009 comparison charts.

The only thing im now gonna find a long drag to do is putting all the laps in for each session, and getting used to the 2008 layout again, i keep looking for Button at the bottom and Hamilton at the top, whitch they arnt there.

Getting up was the easy part, looking back now, just the input will be a pain.

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Just about half way thrugh the 2008 data, and in comparison to the 2009 engines, it looks at the moment to be the 1400 to 1500km mark for there to start being a significant reduction in horsepower, Tost has spoken of this recently for the Ferrari 056 engine in the STR4s.

Thats the figure that id expect that most engines will be started to be used for Fridays only. Or as Jenson did earlier this year, use the same block for 3 consecutive races to a win. Id also say that the best races to use the engines for the 3 race thing for 2009 would be the 2 running up to and including Monaco and Hungaroring.

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kubica is going to be out of engines before the season is over

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So far, the most relyable engine of 2008 was guess what, the least relyable so far in 2009, the BMW P86/8 (althogh the 09 version is the P86/9). And what i dont understand is that the BMW is also the least relyable at 18,000 rpm and most relyable at 19,000rpm???