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Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:25 am
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Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:54 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:24 am
F1's social media reach is taking a hit.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/form ... /10526241/



I hope this doesn't result in the FIA / LM coming up with more daft ideas to try to drag in fans.
Really interesting and nice to have some figures on it. Backs up my feelings regarding how it's mentioned less and there's just less conversation generally

The critical part of the report for me however is regarding trends. It's not damning for the sport or its direction but more that the one team dominance / lack of competition causes this drop in interest. Perhaps a nod to Tombazis should be made for sweeping changes in 2025
The Buzz Radar report states the cause of such a drop off is simply single-team domination, with Red Bull having won all but two races over the past 12 months.

It believes that there is a direct correlation between the closeness of an F1 title fight and how much that entices fans to get engaged – as F1 last had such a drop-off in 2018 when Lewis Hamilton roared to the title.

“2016 was the most talked about season, until 2021, despite all the contributory factors of the Liberty takeover, Drive to Survive, and lockdown, because [Nico] Rosberg and Hamilton were battling closely,” it noted.
I do wonder if some of the blip was the DTS crowd, etc., who having seen the "exciting stuff" in the DTS shows realised that day-to-day F1 isn't like that at all, and they've become bored and moved on to the next "exciting must-see thing".

F1 is not, typically, like 2021. Yes, there are times when there is a close season but on the whole it's generally much more season-long chess game stuff. And if you're not interested in the nuances of the sport (having arrived for the "OMG, so exciting!" highlights) then you're going to get bored and move on.

As fans, most of us have been following F1 for decades (from the mid 80s for me, for example) and so the season-long chess game is second nature. Yes, even we can get bored at times, but we know that stuff changes and so we stick with it. If you're a newcomer and thought that every season is like 2021, you're going to be disappointed.
We have no season long chess game though, the winner is already known, no one can catch them thnx to restrictions + bad concept ( Merc ) and the next few are just swapping every now and then after upgrades.. only ones doing good are the RedBull copys, which highlights how bad the regs are that only 1 concept seems to work.

Also.. the FIA are turning people away with what seems like it favours just 1 team and driver, after 21, and with Redbull dominance you would think they would find any excuse to punish RedBull, but yet they cant even buy a grid drop for impeding 3 times in a q session.........

F1 has an integrity problem.

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Mosin123 wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:29 pm

F1 has an integrity problem.
To focused on the $$$.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:24 am
F1's social media reach is taking a hit.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/form ... /10526241/
Analysis by Buzz Radar, a social intelligence company, of social media patterns for the last decade has highlighted how the 2023 campaign has triggered a dramatic U-turn in F1's impressive growth in recent years.

In a case study published on Thursday, titled Have we reached Peak F1?, Buzz Radar's analysis suggested that the boom of 2022 – boosted by the dramatic 2021 title fight and new car rules – may well mark a high point of interest in F1 for a while.

Having used a combination of human analysis and AI data to look at F1 on social media over the past decade, which included analysis of 70 million fan posts, it found that the championship had suffered its first decline of interest in a while.
I hope this doesn't result in the FIA / LM coming up with more daft ideas to try to drag in fans.

Some figures to the opposite in this article. I think it's just that buzz media used different metrics to liberty media

https://racingnews365.com/f1-data-count ... dia-crisis
However, F1 has provided RacingNews365 with data countering those in the Buzz Radar report.

F1's in-house data suggests that growth across official FOM channels in 2023 is almost eight times (757%) bigger than the 3.7 million claimed by Buzz Radar.

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organic wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:22 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:24 am
F1's social media reach is taking a hit.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/form ... /10526241/
Analysis by Buzz Radar, a social intelligence company, of social media patterns for the last decade has highlighted how the 2023 campaign has triggered a dramatic U-turn in F1's impressive growth in recent years.

In a case study published on Thursday, titled Have we reached Peak F1?, Buzz Radar's analysis suggested that the boom of 2022 – boosted by the dramatic 2021 title fight and new car rules – may well mark a high point of interest in F1 for a while.

Having used a combination of human analysis and AI data to look at F1 on social media over the past decade, which included analysis of 70 million fan posts, it found that the championship had suffered its first decline of interest in a while.
I hope this doesn't result in the FIA / LM coming up with more daft ideas to try to drag in fans.

Some figures to the opposite in this article. I think it's just that buzz media used different metrics to liberty media

https://racingnews365.com/f1-data-count ... dia-crisis
However, F1 has provided RacingNews365 with data countering those in the Buzz Radar report.

F1's in-house data suggests that growth across official FOM channels in 2023 is almost eight times (757%) bigger than the 3.7 million claimed by Buzz Radar.
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Wouter wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:43 am
organic wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:22 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:24 am
F1's social media reach is taking a hit.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/form ... /10526241/



I hope this doesn't result in the FIA / LM coming up with more daft ideas to try to drag in fans.

Some figures to the opposite in this article. I think it's just that buzz media used different metrics to liberty media

https://racingnews365.com/f1-data-count ... dia-crisis
However, F1 has provided RacingNews365 with data countering those in the Buzz Radar report.

F1's in-house data suggests that growth across official FOM channels in 2023 is almost eight times (757%) bigger than the 3.7 million claimed by Buzz Radar.
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Buzz Radar, HQ: The Primrose Hill Business Centre
Adres: 110 Gloucester Ave., London NW1 8HX, UK.
Is this another of those "British media bias" things?

RacingNews365 is Dutch:
RacingNews365 is located with its office in the SX building in Eindhoven.
SX Eindhoven, Torenallee 3, 5617 BA Eindhoven.
So they're also biased the other way, yes?
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:D very well played

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:13 am
Wouter wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:43 am
organic wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:22 am
Some figures to the opposite in this article. I think it's just that buzz media used different metrics to liberty media

https://racingnews365.com/f1-data-count ... dia-crisis
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Buzz Radar, HQ: The Primrose Hill Business Centre
Adres: 110 Gloucester Ave., London NW1 8HX, UK.
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Is this another of those "British media bias" things?

RacingNews365 is Dutch:
RacingNews365 is located with its office in the SX building in Eindhoven.
SX Eindhoven, Torenallee 3, 5617 BA Eindhoven.
So they're also biased the other way, yes?
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That is your conclusion that they are biased! I only provide information about where the company is located. No more and no less,
because that was asked on several sites yesterday because the company is not that well known.
Moreover, RN 365 is not a good site for information. Has nothing to do with biased, but simply often incorrectly informed
when they post something. Sensation seekers.
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Reads a lot more like Liberty freaking out that the world is catching on to their garbage. No to mention a lot less people are living in fear of a previous world changing event.
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https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10049 ... broadcast/

Apple considering a $2bn agreement for full TV coverage rights.

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chrisc90 wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:47 am
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10049 ... broadcast/

Apple considering a $2bn agreement for full TV coverage rights.
That seems kinda cheap?

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SirBastianVettel wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:54 pm
chrisc90 wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:47 am
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10049 ... broadcast/

Apple considering a $2bn agreement for full TV coverage rights.
That seems kinda cheap?
Double what they rumoured to bring in now.

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F1 could ditch 18-inch wheels for 2026 in bid to drop car weight https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-c ... /10528768/

I'm fine with that, but how 'bout they also make cuts where the real weight additions have been made - in the batteries.
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hairy_scotsman wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:49 pm
F1 could ditch 18-inch wheels for 2026 in bid to drop car weight https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-c ... /10528768/

I'm fine with that, but how 'bout they also make cuts where the real weight additions have been made - in the batteries.
I think the batteries are only going to weigh about 35kg? So less than 5%

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organic wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:58 pm
hairy_scotsman wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:49 pm
F1 could ditch 18-inch wheels for 2026 in bid to drop car weight https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-c ... /10528768/

I'm fine with that, but how 'bout they also make cuts where the real weight additions have been made - in the batteries.
I think the batteries are only going to weigh about 35kg? So less than 5%
I meant to say batteries, turbos, electric motors, etc. But 35kg would be a very nice weight savings on these cars, and then you add the 20 kg for the MGUK & its transmission, and I dunno how much for the ERS cooling. It all adds up.
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