That's what I said. Not fast enough that we can afford bad luck, bad strategy or poor driving. Dominant cars can afford those things.venkyhere wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:45 pmDarth-Piekus wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:12 amThat is extremely debatable and in my opinion you are incorect. The car was only the fastest by far in Zandvoort, Hungaroring and Singapore. Nowhere else you mentioned it had the capacity to be dominant for an easy win like Red Bull's car of the last two years.Fastest = best race pace in clean air.
Fastest doesn't mean 'dominant by a big margin' OR 'wins races by 20 seconds'.
Well, that's one player from a very big and expensively assembled squad, one which the PL alleges was done by breaking the rules lol Whereas Mclaren are good "cityzens" of F1 .Whereas if one of your drivers doesn't perform, it's a big deal, akin to having half of your squad not turning up. So if Arsenal win the league, it's because they are the bet team in the world and City are dirty financial cheaters Joking. Sort of AhahahahaCjC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:43 pmForget my shady remark guys, I’ve re-read it a few times and I’ve got my wording all wrong.
I’m just going to clarify:
Thank goodness Mclaren signed Piastri
Anyway,
I’m not saying you aren’t going to be happy if Mclaren are victorious but I feel some Mclaren fans are going to look at it a bit like Mclaren won by default/ others failing.
I won’t.
Take the premier league for instance. IF Liverpool or Arsenal win the league it will be celebrated as a great achievement not because player X, Y and Z were out injured for City.
I do disagree about judging the car competitiveness comparisons with the points table.
The fact both McLaren drivers are close together which as it so happens at this moment in time is towards the front of the grid to mean means it’s a very competitive car which allows both cars to challenge.
Verstappen is just doing an incredible job with the car he has, a bit like Alonso did in his Ferrari years.
Stella said himself in pre-season. Things they wanted to have from the start of the season on the car weren't yet ready, so would come later. When they did the package was well rounded. It's probably all a matter of McLaren's development having been staggered relative to other teams by ~6 rounds for over 18 months atp. Maybe it should be traced back to the failures of key's reign and the final few months that they gave him to right the ship (which eventually failed). That few months or so resulted in a delay for the successful package we saw to arrive. The way I look at it, 2023's base package launched at Austria and 2024's base package launched at Miami, which is roughly a year later. So the same timeline as other teams for a car but just offsetHenri wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:27 pmhttps://x.com/F1BigData/status/1841082532411941056 the miami upgrade for McLaren was superb .. wonder why they couldn't start the season with it
It's an interesting challenge in these regs. Because of the simplified suspension, there is now such a thing as too much downforce.Sevach wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:35 pmhttps://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/will ... /10659488/
Mclaren style of not going for the kill in terms of floor design has been making waves.
Floors have been notoriously sensitive in this era, upper surface aero much more predictable and likely to bring the predicted improvements without setbacks.
Mclaren found a good floor that works and hasn't tried tune it to find extra performance(so far), will they finally break this mold and go for broke at COTA?
I always remember Murry walker saying back in the red and white days - Its mclaren against the world and the world does not know what it is taking on.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:46 pmYou know I was wondering now that we are on an one month break since the newest GP. Is being top dog always followed by scorn from others or are there double standards and hypocrisy? I remember hearing all those years how good of a job Andrian Newey and Red Bull did and how others should do better. The same with Mercedes of how they made such a good job with the car and the engine and the rest should be better. Now that Mclaren is top all I see is scorn and jealousy. I'm seeing opinions making Mclaren the villain, opinions that accusing of cheating, opinions that accuse Mclaren of racism etc etc . What do you think?
McLaren had been slacking and they were nowhere near where they should be. More than a decade wasted soiling the name that was so hardly fought to be made and I blame Ron Dennis for all of it. Imagine having Ferrari wasting away on the midfield and back of the grid for 10 years.Big Tea wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:06 pmI always remember Murry walker saying back in the red and white days - Its mclaren against the world and the world does not know what it is taking on.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:46 pmYou know I was wondering now that we are on an one month break since the newest GP. Is being top dog always followed by scorn from others or are there double standards and hypocrisy? I remember hearing all those years how good of a job Andrian Newey and Red Bull did and how others should do better. The same with Mercedes of how they made such a good job with the car and the engine and the rest should be better. Now that Mclaren is top all I see is scorn and jealousy. I'm seeing opinions making Mclaren the villain, opinions that accusing of cheating, opinions that accuse Mclaren of racism etc etc . What do you think?
What goes around comes around, its all cyclic (well, for the top handful anyway)
Without Ron Dennis there would have been no Mclaren. The were a small also ran before he got stuck in with Project 4Emag wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:13 pmMcLaren had been slacking and they were nowhere near where they should be. More than a decade wasted soiling the name that was so hardly fought to be made and I blame Ron Dennis for all of it. Imagine having Ferrari wasting away on the midfield and back of the grid for 10 years.Big Tea wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:06 pmI always remember Murry walker saying back in the red and white days - Its mclaren against the world and the world does not know what it is taking on.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:46 pmYou know I was wondering now that we are on an one month break since the newest GP. Is being top dog always followed by scorn from others or are there double standards and hypocrisy? I remember hearing all those years how good of a job Andrian Newey and Red Bull did and how others should do better. The same with Mercedes of how they made such a good job with the car and the engine and the rest should be better. Now that Mclaren is top all I see is scorn and jealousy. I'm seeing opinions making Mclaren the villain, opinions that accusing of cheating, opinions that accuse Mclaren of racism etc etc . What do you think?
What goes around comes around, its all cyclic (well, for the top handful anyway)
Whoever was responsible (Ron) should be ashamed for allowing such a humongous downfall.
It doesn’t matter what you achieve in the past. If you fail to adapt and perform you should recognise your shortcomings and step down. It’s exactly what happens to most old people in general. They cannot comprehend their ways falling into obsolescence, but it is the way of the world.Big Tea wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:27 pmWithout Ron Dennis there would have been no Mclaren. The were a small also ran before he got stuck in with Project 4Emag wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:13 pmMcLaren had been slacking and they were nowhere near where they should be. More than a decade wasted soiling the name that was so hardly fought to be made and I blame Ron Dennis for all of it. Imagine having Ferrari wasting away on the midfield and back of the grid for 10 years.
Whoever was responsible (Ron) should be ashamed for allowing such a humongous downfall.
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