2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[PDR]

It is obvious that team needs more time to understand the new car, which is a new concept. With Leclerc's case they should be more careful since they had the option to pit on time to prevent this.
It is clear that in Australia they could not run lower after today's outcome and they have tried today to be on the limit for ground clearance and impact on skid wear.
They will bounce back and probably they should rethink setup of one lap.
Clean air is still king..
Hamilton's sprint pace indicates that

[Xyz22]

McL were indeed managing. As some suggested, it looked like Leclerc was the only one not managing. I think he threw caution to the wind once he had damage, had little to lose, and tyre management was not his concern. That style of drive looks great, but it came back to haunt him when he had nothing to attack Russell, and got overtaken by Max. The win was never on.

Ferrari thought it was a two stop, once they confirmed it was a one stop he stopped pushing too. He would've managed had they told him earlier I think, he was the one who suggested a one stop at the start of the race and they rejected it.

I have no idea why Ferrari couldn't figure out it was a one stop from the start. Every single other team did.

Absolutely embarrassing.

[venkyhere]

0.5 out of 9mm is 5.55%.
Missing a target by 5% is 'sloppy' by F1 engineering standards. I am not ready to believe that people within the team 'didn't know it' when they setup the car. It's simply not possible. Still decided to 'wing it' I suppose.

Yes we botched it today, so? It's a new car with big changes and the team will learn from this.

I have posted so many times in this thread, about how tifosi wear their emotions on their sleeves and how this thread swings from elation to despair within a span of one or two sessions on a weekend. So, while I understand your perspective, I think the team deserves a lot of flak for the skidwear mistake - running really low and with not-so-stiff suspension -> any amateur stock car racing team would know that bottoming out is a big risk with this combination. So it's not a case of 'not expecting'. It's a case of 'maybe we can escape scrutiny'. A 10 second pitstop team like Kick Sauber wouldn't do this, why did Ferrari ? The biggest team in F1, with the biggest financial backing, with state of the art tech at their disposal. To 'not look bad' with a legal but slow car ? It's not the fact that they made a mistake that is irksome, it's the fact that they knowingly decided to go ahead with a mistake.

Does anyone know the uncertainty of the measurement equipment? 799 vs 800 kg is only 0,125% difference. One would assume that they should add the measurement uncertainty to the measured value before comparison with the limit.

Come on, mate, don't you think this wouldn't have been addressed ? The FIA document clearly states that calibration was checked to be fine.

Clean air is still king..
Hamilton's sprint pace indicates that

Really ? how do we know it was a legal car that Hamilton ran ? Just 19 laps and it would have probably been on the verge of skid wear limits already. PLease don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to be buzzkill ; but the very basic nature of the 'miss' is terribly irritating. 'Cheating with clever tech' is one thing, but cheating with hopes on 'not being checked' is terrible. Did no one in Ferrari examine Hamilton's plank after the sprint yesterday ? I can't and won't believe, that no one did. They must have surely. So there is no excuse of 'new tarmac, high grain, we didn't expect this much wear' either, to hide behind. The wear limit excess is 5% away from threshold, not 0.5 or 1 %.

[dialtone]

Very disappointing of course. Not knowing the car and the little testing doesn’t help but not much to excuse here…

They need to really understand how this could happen and fix it the right way, yes this is a low moment but blowing up the team isn’t the right call, the car isn't bad, it's a stranger right now.

[CjC]

0.5 out of 9mm is 5.55%.
Missing a target by 5% is 'sloppy' by F1 engineering standards. I am not ready to believe that people within the team 'didn't know it' when they setup the car. It's simply not possible. Still decided to 'wing it' I suppose.

Yes we botched it today, so? It's a new car with big changes and the team will learn from this.

I have posted so many times in this thread, about how tifosi wear their emotions on their sleeves and how this thread swings from elation to despair within a span of one or two sessions on a weekend. So, while I understand your perspective, I think the team deserves a lot of flak for the skidwear mistake - running really low and with not-so-stiff suspension -> any amateur stock car racing team would know that bottoming out is a big risk with this combination. So it's not a case of 'not expecting'. It's a case of 'maybe we can escape scrutiny'. A 10 second pitstop team like Kick Sauber wouldn't do this, why did Ferrari ? The biggest team in F1, with the biggest financial backing, with state of the art tech at their disposal. To 'not look bad' with a legal but slow car ? It's not the fact that they made a mistake that is irksome, it's the fact that they knowingly decided to go ahead with a mistake.

Does anyone know the uncertainty of the measurement equipment? 799 vs 800 kg is only 0,125% difference. One would assume that they should add the measurement uncertainty to the measured value before comparison with the limit.

Come on, mate, don't you think this wouldn't have been addressed ? The FIA document clearly states that calibration was checked to be fine.

Clean air is still king..
Hamilton's sprint pace indicates that

Really ? how do we know it was a legal car that Hamilton ran ? Just 19 laps and it would have probably been on the verge of skid wear limits already. PLease don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to be buzzkill ; but the very basic nature of the 'miss' is terribly irritating. 'Cheating with clever tech' is one thing, but cheating with hopes on 'not being checked' is terrible. Did no one in Ferrari examine Hamilton's plank after the sprint yesterday ? I can't and won't believe, that no one did. They must have surely. So there is no excuse of 'new tarmac, high grain, we didn't expect this much wear' either, to hide behind. The wear limit excess is 5% away from threshold, not 0.5 or 1 %.

Hamilton said to Sky (Italia) that raising the car a little bit was one of multi changes they made to the car after the sprint. I think it’s fair to say Hamilton’s pace in the sprint (and sprint quali) was with the car operating within an illegal window. Oscar has been denied having 2 wins this weekend it seems

[mstar]

Anyone not think.... if fuel consumption was looking a bit low/marginal surely the fuel monitoring on Charles car could of flagged this and they would of told him to put a more fuel efficient engine map AND charles do more lift and coasting? He was pushing all race, surely some fuel monitoring should of been done.

[Xyz22]

Anyone not think.... if fuel consumption was looking a bit low/marginal surely the fuel monitoring on Charles car could of flagged this and they would of told him to put a more fuel efficient engine map AND charles do more lift and coasting? He was pushing all race, surely some fuel monitoring should of been done.

They --- up the calculations.

[214270]

0.5 out of 9mm is 5.55%.
Missing a target by 5% is 'sloppy' by F1 engineering standards. I am not ready to believe that people within the team 'didn't know it' when they setup the car. It's simply not possible. Still decided to 'wing it' I suppose.

Yes we botched it today, so? It's a new car with big changes and the team will learn from this.

I have posted so many times in this thread, about how tifosi wear their emotions on their sleeves and how this thread swings from elation to despair within a span of one or two sessions on a weekend. So, while I understand your perspective, I think the team deserves a lot of flak for the skidwear mistake - running really low and with not-so-stiff suspension -> any amateur stock car racing team would know that bottoming out is a big risk with this combination. So it's not a case of 'not expecting'. It's a case of 'maybe we can escape scrutiny'. A 10 second pitstop team like Kick Sauber wouldn't do this, why did Ferrari ? The biggest team in F1, with the biggest financial backing, with state of the art tech at their disposal. To 'not look bad' with a legal but slow car ? It's not the fact that they made a mistake that is irksome, it's the fact that they knowingly decided to go ahead with a mistake.

Does anyone know the uncertainty of the measurement equipment? 799 vs 800 kg is only 0,125% difference. One would assume that they should add the measurement uncertainty to the measured value before comparison with the limit.

Come on, mate, don't you think this wouldn't have been addressed ? The FIA document clearly states that calibration was checked to be fine.

Clean air is still king..
Hamilton's sprint pace indicates that

Really ? how do we know it was a legal car that Hamilton ran ? Just 19 laps and it would have probably been on the verge of skid wear limits already. PLease don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to be buzzkill ; but the very basic nature of the 'miss' is terribly irritating. 'Cheating with clever tech' is one thing, but cheating with hopes on 'not being checked' is terrible. Did no one in Ferrari examine Hamilton's plank after the sprint yesterday ? I can't and won't believe, that no one did. They must have surely. So there is no excuse of 'new tarmac, high grain, we didn't expect this much wear' either, to hide behind. The wear limit excess is 5% away from threshold, not 0.5 or 1 %.

Hamilton said to Sky (Italia) that raising the car a little bit was one of multi changes they made to the car after the sprint. I think it’s fair to say Hamilton’s pace in the sprint (and sprint quali) was with the car operating within an illegal window. Oscar has been denied having 2 wins this weekend it seems

1mm of plank wear metered over a sprint quali and 19lap sprint race vs 1mm of wear over the main quali and 55lap race (no parc ferme rules inbetween the two so it’s likely they changed the plank). That’s what they are solving for and that’s why the differeing ride heights. It doesn’t make the sprint illegal

[mstar]

Hamilton said to Sky (Italia) that raising the car a little bit was one of multi changes they made to the car after the sprint. I think it’s fair to say Hamilton’s pace in the sprint (and sprint quali) was with the car operating within an illegal window. Oscar has been denied having 2 wins this weekend it seems

You must be a Mcl fan come onto this board right? what about the 2 wins last season with illegal DRS?

[Emag]

Let's be honest here, Haas only did what they did because they're trying to save resources this year with 2026 regs looming.

Haas is operating at the budget cap just like every other team (except maybe RB). Haas is doing so well financially now that Gene Haas doesn't even have to put his own money into the team at this point.

They are keeping the same chassis and suspension becuase they aren't fighting for the championship, and prefer to spend more to bring a more mature car for 2026 over finishing (for example) p6 instead of p8 in 2025.

If Haas expected to be super competitive in 2025, they would have brought a new chassis and the 2025 Ferrari suspension.

Meeting the budget cap doesn’t automatically make Haas have equal opportunities with Ferrari.

They don’t have the same facilities.
They don’t have the same quality of people.
They don’t have the same quality of data and experience.

And I can keep adding to that list …

If limiting the budget was enough to equalize teams, we would have been looking at a spec-series racing by last year already.

[IntrinsicVoid]

Even I don’t agree what Ferrari was doing this whole weekend one thing that I would mention is the mini DRS situation in Baku, so get the taste of the same medicine.

Apart, I don’t really know what they’re going to do moving forward and as someone else mentioned now this car doesn’t have the input from the previous department, so initially it seems Tondi and Serra are going to start feeling the pressure.

[Cs98]

Hamilton said to Sky (Italia) that raising the car a little bit was one of multi changes they made to the car after the sprint. I think it’s fair to say Hamilton’s pace in the sprint (and sprint quali) was with the car operating within an illegal window. Oscar has been denied having 2 wins this weekend it seems

That puts the sprint performance of the car under scrutiny. From the FIA documents they didn't check the skid wear on any of the cars after the sprint. Rest assured they will be doing that next time

[Vinlarr89]

The minimum weight could have been the end plate no? That’s surely a kilo on its own??

[Emag]

The minimum weight could have been the end plate no? That’s surely a kilo on its own??

They replace damaged parts with equivalent undamaged ones before weighing.

[dialtone]

The minimum weight could have been the end plate no? That’s surely a kilo on its own??

FIA replaces the broken parts they can replace before weighing so no.