2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[SB15]

Red Bull is quick in fast corners. They're losing almost all their lap time to Mclaren in the slow corners, so Max will win in Suzuka, mark my words, and mark them well.

Words are marked but Ummmm…. are you forgetting there are like 3 corners that are really important in a lap at Suzuka especially slow speed corners? Better hope Max is not wrestling the car throughout much of the lap.

The McLaren is actually quite good in the high speed, sector 1 they will be flying. The Mercedes I’m not entirely sure about what will happen but we’ll have to see.

[r85]

I think the biggest 'fix' that the redbull team need is not in the car or in their engineering methodology or their windtunnel etc. The biggest 'fix' is in biology

- remove Helmut Marko from the team.

I don't think he is a 'driver coach', nor is he a strategist, nor an engineering policy maker, what is he ?

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Well, removing Helmut Marko is making the car quicker according to you?

I never knew he designed the car.

At this point, the best solution is to do what Mercedes did with Antonelli and get new drivers acclimatized to the previous Red Bull cars so that they can learn to drive what Max drives.

[AR3-GP]

According to AMuS:

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -mercedes/

Marko once again publicly confirmed in Shanghai that the Dutchman's contract contains performance-related clauses. In other words, if Red Bull doesn't build a car capable of winning, the driver can leave.

The team has to try to keep the star driver happy. Hard-fought fourth places, as recently in China, are not enough for this.

. If the sporting situation doesn't improve quickly at Red Bull, the Austrian team is likely to see Max Verstappen leave, possibly for Mercedes according to AMuS.

After the first two GPs of the season, the pressure on Red Bull now increases with every free practice session, every qualifying session and every race.

The RB21 is not yet the winning single-seater promised to Max Verstappen. In fact, it suffers from the same fundamental problems as its predecessor. Admittedly, these flaws are perhaps a little less pronounced than in 2024, and the team is better able to compensate for them through tuning, but in the end, Red Bull has to admit: the new worries are broadly the same as the old ones.

And that's never a good sign. The engineers haven't found a solution to the problems that have been troubling them since Imola last year, even after the winter. This Red Bull can perform well at certain times or in certain conditions, but it can also be unpredictable, with erratic performance depending on the type of tires used in particular.

Not wanting to be dismissive about the issues (there are still some), but it's Michael Schmidt...The latter paragraphs are conjecture. We can revisit the claims after the first round of upgrades.

[Arcanum]

I think people are looking at the Lawson switch to Racing Bulls backwards. Lawson is not being demoted. He's the trailblazer. Once Lawson's feedback on the car is understood he can help Max get up to speed when Max moves over as well. This is the only way for Max to have a chance of winning the drivers championship and keeping it within the Red Bull family.

[ringo]

What a knee jerk reaction. Once again. How long until Hadjar gets the seat?

I understand the need for results, but two races is really a slap in the face. At least give the guy a chance for 6-12 races this year and then make a decision.

Redbull is not a finishing school. Theyre fighting for Constructors title that they lost for the same reason of waiting on driver #2 to improve. I would have swapped Lawson right after Australia. P-20 is horrendous against a Sauber with a 2024 chassis.

[f1isgood]

AmUS is a Mercedes propaganda machine. I would absolutely take nothing from them seriously especially regarding Red Bull. Some things especially regarding the flexi-floor saga haven't been forgotten.

Moreover these regulations Red Bull have unironically not done things that are pushing the regs too much and are paying for it. They hoped for FIA to deal with flexi parts and only got screwed.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

6 months ago I asked "Why Lawson and not Tsunoda"...

Someone in RB has no balls to stay for his own decisions.
Team disintegration in progress.

Lawson because he beat Tsunoda and Colipinto in the Toyota series and beat Alex Albon in DTM in his rookie year. And was in the running for the title in the last race

And Tsunoda beat Lawson in F1 and had much more F1 experience. Makes no sense. We all know that a junior career doesn't guarantee F1 success. Someone should tell Horner this.

Some Ocon guy is still pissed that Verstappen got promoted to F1 before him because he "beat" Verstappen in junior series.

[ringo]

Happy with the change, lets go Yuki.

Is this confirmed by the team as fact?

[ringo]

Lawson because he beat Tsunoda and Colipinto in the Toyota series and beat Alex Albon in DTM in his rookie year. And was in the running for the title in the last race

But how come they kept him on the sidelines for so long? To me that feels like they didn't see him as the next Verstappen.

Also explains why he did not get much TPC. They just did not see him as anything special. Reminds me of Brendan Hartley. He was just there with the team, but not really being pushed to step up.

[CHT]

Lots is at play for this coming race at Suzuka

a) What is expectation for Yuki in RB21?
b) Can he do better than Lawson?
c) What happen if Yuki couldn't make it out of Q1?
d) How will Lawson perform at Racing Bull vs fellow rookie Hadja?

[ispano6]

What isn't being discussed in the open is the implications for 2026 PU regulations and the peculiar situation RBPT and Honda find themselves in terms of deciding to move forward with the PU formula should RBPT not have a competitive PU. That Honda offered to pay $10 million(or euros?) for Yuki's drive and the Thai family's possible involvement also adds to the intrigue that there are major players involved. It also appears Yuki's new management Diego Menchaca has moved swiftly and effectively.

Yuki showed in Australia that he can drive a car on slicks in class 3 rain and keep it out of the walls. He also recognized in last year's test why the Red Bull RB20 is faster than the VCARB01 and that it suited his driving style. He also gave feedback during the China GP that he could feel his car shifting toward understeer as the 2nd stint progressed. He ironically also stated after being passed over that the Vcarb02 may be a better car than the RB21.

The mental strength issue I think was him being more and more fet up with the team not making the right calls or always providing a car that Yuki would drive to it's ceiling and could not show a larger gap to Lawson because there was no more to get out of the car. His 4 seasons worth of experience counts for more than he was given credit for.

[ispano6]

I think the biggest 'fix' that the redbull team need is not in the car or in their engineering methodology or their windtunnel etc. The biggest 'fix' is in biology

- remove Helmut Marko from the team.

I don't think he is a 'driver coach', nor is he a strategist, nor an engineering policy maker, what is he ?

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Well, removing Helmut Marko is making the car quicker according to you?

I never knew he designed the car.

Red Bull shortened the nose but it's now too bulbous. They need to slim it up and create a better tunnel for an aero profile that makes the leading edge of the floor more effective. They may need to study what VCARB did in this area.

[TeamKoolGreen]

One of the guys at The Race said if you look at the telemetry, Lawson was just as fast as Max in Australia in all but 2 corners. And it was a similar case in China. The cars balance is on a knife edge. Max is the guy who can thread that needle every time. Even he hasn't been stringing 3 purple sectors together this year.

The Red Bull car becomes more and more undrivable as they develop it for Max. Since 2021, Perez has been able to profit from the early versions of the car at the start of the year. And it all goes down hill from there. But for this year, the RB 21 is basically the RB 20. So the car is starting where it left off last year. Perez couldn't even finish the last 2 races. Lawson couldn't drive it. The writing is on the wall.

[restless]

What if RB "sign" Yuki only for Japan?
a one-off "thanks" to Honda for last years?
Taking measurement of whats going on, how Yuki drives next to Max and how Lawson and Hadjar compare?

[DDopey]

The thing is that even if RB now moves away from a Verstappen type of car, how slow would the car then become. Still top 10, but for both drivers or will it completely disappear? What will be the gain for RB if the car is less ‘Verstappen’ .