A letter from Max

[WhiteBlue]

So nobody can supply any details about this funny envelope business?

[modbaraban]

Odd, this discussion.

Irrelevant, too, since Jordan has no restrictions on women drivers.

In all fairness I don't think Eddie ever considered a female driver.

Back on topic please

[Pup]

So nobody can supply any details about this funny envelope business?

Nothing authoritative. But the only reason for doing so I can think of is that Max wants to bully the voting. Sounds a bit desperate, and I wonder if Max is failing to appreciate the irony that this election is playing out much like the one which originally put him in office.

[WhiteBlue]

So nobody can supply any details about this funny envelope business?

Nothing authoritative. But the only reason for doing so I can think of is that Max wants to bully the voting. Sounds a bit desperate, and I wonder if Max is failing to appreciate the irony that this election is playing out much like the one which originally put him in office.

But who gurantees that it isn't a story planted by interesting parties of which some exist?

[xpensive]

When I read postings supporting MrM, I can't help wonder why anyone without a vested interest would back someone that is so obviously morally corrupt, has made the FIA a tool for his personal vengence, is ruling by intimidation and makes Juan Antonio Samaranch look like mr clean?

[WhiteBlue]

When here is a lack of facts to support opinion one can allways resort to more emotionally loaded opinion.

I have no doubt that both parties are using every dirty trick they know and people schooled in EU politics are bound too know one or two as well.

[autogyro]

You should go to Jordan and ask at any mosque about women drivers and in any case it is the whole of the middle east that Vatanen is campaigning in.
In some places they still behead people in public squares.
I have no objection at all to a fair election that discuses FIA issues in detail and suggests sensible changes.
Unfortunately Vtanen has come up with absolutely nothing but platitudes, his campaign has NO structure.
The FIA is a very important world organization that is responsible to all vehicle users, it is not a brrm brrm boy racers benefit for FI or the WRC.
Left foot braking from the distant past will not help reduce the numbers of young people dieing in road accidents in the world.
So where are all the marvelous new policies from Vatanen that will improve the work being done in such essential areas of the FIA's remit?

[autogyro]

A humble genius to run the FIA! Perleease!
The FIA has to deal with vested and sometimes corrupt sources of power of world dimensions almost every day.
Any one humble or inexperienced and weak like Vatanen would be eaten alive in no time.
It is convenient and easy for those who disagree with FIA decisions to focus their bile at the FIA president, even though they rarely have even a tiny fraction of the facts involved in any issue.
It is essential for any FIA President to have a very powerful character and a very thick skin. They are not going to be universally liked.
Vatanen is a pygmy compared to Max Mosley or John Todt.

[Chaparral]

A humble genius to run the FIA! Perleease!
The FIA has to deal with vested and sometimes corrupt sources of power of world dimensions almost every day.
Any one humble or inexperienced and weak like Vatanen would be eaten alive in no time.
It is convenient and easy for those who disagree with FIA decisions to focus their bile at the FIA president, even though they rarely have even a tiny fraction of the facts involved in any issue.
It is essential for any FIA President to have a very powerful character and a very thick skin. They are not going to be universally liked.
Vatanen is a pygmy compared to Max Mosley or John Todt.

And you would be a worldly wise, well read and informed/connected person who knows the innermost goings on in an organisation that many people consider rotten to the core under Mosely - crikeys you are well informed to be able to make that decision on your own. If you believe the scuttlebutt Ari Vatanen is ahead in the 'polls' as they say - we shall see - would be great to see some unbiased balance between the FIA and the F1 teams - I believe they also support Vatanen.

[xpensive]

A humble genius to run the FIA! Perleease!
The FIA has to deal with vested and sometimes corrupt sources of power of world dimensions almost every day.
Any one humble or inexperienced and weak like Vatanen would be eaten alive in no time.
It is convenient and easy for those who disagree with FIA decisions to focus their bile at the FIA president, even though they rarely have even a tiny fraction of the facts involved in any issue.
It is essential for any FIA President to have a very powerful character and a very thick skin. They are not going to be universally liked.
Vatanen is a pygmy compared to Max Mosley or John Todt.

Is this your idea of a joke Ciro?

[Richard]

Just been reading on the background to this. Max is criticised for being "autocratic". Max is offended, how dare someone accuse his organisation as being autocratic and undemocratic? So he promptly writes a letter to instruct voters on how to place their votes, complete with vague threats about consequences if they don't.

As for the quibble about human rights in the Middle East... If Vatanen is going to clean up the FIA, he needs to get elected. That means he needs to court all the voters. All of them.

[gcdugas]

A humble genius to run the FIA! Perleease!
The FIA has to deal with vested and sometimes corrupt sources of power of world dimensions almost every day.
Any one humble or inexperienced and weak like Vatanen would be eaten alive in no time.
It is convenient and easy for those who disagree with FIA decisions to focus their bile at the FIA president, even though they rarely have even a tiny fraction of the facts involved in any issue.
It is essential for any FIA President to have a very powerful character and a very thick skin. They are not going to be universally liked.
Vatanen is a pygmy compared to Max Mosley or John Todt.

That's right! We need someone who really knows how to crack the whip. Vee have vays of making you talk, yah?

[gcdugas]

You should go to Jordan and ask at any mosque about women drivers and in any case it is the whole of the middle east that Vatanen is campaigning in.
In some places they still behead people in public squares.
I have no objection at all to a fair election that discuses FIA issues in detail and suggests sensible changes.
Unfortunately Vtanen has come up with absolutely nothing but platitudes, his campaign has NO structure.
The FIA is a very important world organization that is responsible to all vehicle users, it is not a brrm brrm boy racers benefit for FI or the WRC.
Left foot braking from the distant past will not help reduce the numbers of young people dieing in road accidents in the world.
So where are all the marvelous new policies from Vatanen that will improve the work being done in such essential areas of the FIA's remit?

NO structure.... I guess you have evidence of this wild accusation. Somehow Ari has the support of the Germans, the Americans, the Dutch, the Japanese etc. all without any campaign structure. And let's not forget a little thing called FOTA.

As for Jordan and women drivers... get a life. It is not the role of the FIA to correct every cultural ill in the world. And it was Max who started the WRC race there and courted the politicians so does that make MAX the bad guy? Or just Ari? Take your twisted FIA maintain-the corrupt-status-quo logic elsewhere.

Ari=reform. It is that simple. And it is impossible for things to change for the worse since they have reached their nadir under Mosley. ANY change has to be an improvement.

BTW, Max/Todt has the support of the ten member pygmy tribe from Borneo and they still drag their women by the hair. So I guess we can conclude that supporting Max/Todt means you support this cultural relic from the Neandrethal age shortly after the wheel was invented. Was fire invented before or after the wheel?

[autogyro]

My accusation of no structure to the Vatanen campaign is obvious to anyone taking even a few seconds to read his web site and study his agenda.
Non of it has any substance, take a look yourselves.
As to democracy, now that really is hypocritical and also obvious.
Vatanen is trying to raise votes in a world area that has probably the worst record of lack of democracy in human history.
Voting for Vatanen is a very silly and naive thing to do, it is a vote for control of world motoring by the bankrupt car makers and the oil industry.
It may look like a golf and sound like a golf but it is really a dust cart.

[Pup]

Vatanen is trying to raise votes in a world area that has probably the worst record of lack of democracy in human history.

Well, no, but anyway, so is Todt. Which (again) makes this entire discussion irrelevant.

It may look like a golf and sound like a golf but it is really a dust cart.

What does that mean?

Just kidding. No, really, I have no idea what that means.

But seriously, this is a technical forum, and you're going off on a country whose king was once an extra on Star Trek. I just don't think you're going to make much headway with this audience.