Red Bull RB21

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SiLo wrote:
02 May 2025, 15:41
Is this the only car with this strange internal layout for the radiators?
Yes!

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Upgrades for Miami GP

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Beautiful angle. Really shows the complexity.
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Fabrega has made a mistake here. The bottom picture is the rb21 launch spec, same edge wing used on day 1 and 2 of pre-season testing rather than the one that was used at races 1-4. But it's understandable how he made the mistake as on Thursday at Saudi Arabia red bull used the old/testing spec floor during pitstop practice, so when he went to find a comparison photo for the new floor edge wing he went to his camera roll from Saudi Arabia.

On further inspection it looks like strangely red bull actually raced with the launch spec rb21 floor rather than the upgraded floor used at rounds 1-4 brought during testing ... Slightly concerning

Testing day 1/2 (launch spec)
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Testing (new spec)
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Australia (new spec)
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Japan (new spec)
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Bahrain (new spec)
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Saudi Arabia (Thursday / where fabrega got his photo)
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Saudi race (launch spec)
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Marko said at Saudi that the trackside team would have a new approach using their engineering knowledge rather than trusting the simulations. So perhaps switching to the old spec floor was part of that

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organic wrote:
02 May 2025, 11:56
Miami RB21, Photos by AMuS

https://img.auto-motor-und-sport.de/_/b ... 201940.jpg

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Compared with RB21 pre-saudi, it looks the same in SP cooling config

https://i.imgur.com/nSpgxJT.png

Old spec floor fences for comparison - looks like same spec currently fitted to car in Miami

https://i.imgur.com/fgbbSAV.png
Either they’ve found enough internal aero performance and correlation stability with the current setup that a more aggressive repackaging step isn’t needed... Or, they’re choosing to evolve the internals gradually, resolving local flow issues and validating each step before going further. This would reduce risk and allow better calibration between simulator, CFD, and on track behavior. We don't know if it's still on the road map to be introduced later or not.

We also shouldn’t rule out the possibility that some of the correlation issues were addressed by other means, like simulator algorithm adjustments, better trackside instrumentation, or floor sensitivity tuning rather than just by mechanical repackaging.
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Nicolas Carpentiers highlights the innermost floor fence as possibly updates for Miami. The change looks like it's less rounded off to meImage

This angle by Motorsport displays the new shape more clearly

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This Motorsport shot also gives us a good angle on the new floor edge wing. Personally I can't see any difference between this and the one run at Bahrain, china, Australia and Japan (see my previous post for comparison shots to previous FEW)
organic wrote:
02 May 2025, 18:16
Testing (new spec)
https://i.imgur.com/f3CT6SP.jpeg
Australia (new spec)
https://i.imgur.com/hFevo4O.jpeg
Japan (new spec)
https://i.imgur.com/rjSVjzs.jpeg
Bahrain (new spec)
https://i.imgur.com/MYpT6Z5.jpeg

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organic wrote:
02 May 2025, 18:16
Fabrega has made a mistake here. The bottom picture is the rb21 launch spec, same edge wing used on day 1 and 2 of pre-season testing rather than the one that was used at races 1-4. But it's understandable how he made the mistake as on Thursday at Saudi Arabia red bull used the old/testing spec floor during pitstop practice, so when he went to find a comparison photo for the new floor edge wing he went to his camera roll from Saudi Arabia.

On further inspection it looks like strangely red bull actually raced with the launch spec rb21 floor rather than the upgraded floor used at rounds 1-4 brought during testing ... Slightly concerning

Testing day 1/2 (launch spec)
https://i.imgur.com/jwzQLAH.jpeg
Testing (new spec)
https://i.imgur.com/f3CT6SP.jpeg
Australia (new spec)
https://i.imgur.com/hFevo4O.jpeg
Japan (new spec)
https://i.imgur.com/rjSVjzs.jpeg
Bahrain (new spec)
https://i.imgur.com/MYpT6Z5.jpeg
Saudi Arabia (Thursday / where fabrega got his photo)
https://i.imgur.com/XnmUsrM.jpeg

Saudi race (launch spec)
https://i.imgur.com/YsszV4L.jpeg

Marko said at Saudi that the trackside team would have a new approach using their engineering knowledge rather than trusting the simulations. So perhaps switching to the old spec floor was part of that
Is the bahrain final spec one that is simply having a more straightened out floor edge? I can't see significant differences. Same with the new one lol.
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Autoracer comparison

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Flow viz on sidepod inlets of Tsunoda during FP1. What are they looking for?

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It doesn't turn.

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AR3-GP wrote:
03 May 2025, 04:37
Flow viz on sidepod inlets of Tsunoda during FP1. What are they looking for?

https://i.postimg.cc/R02z4zFV/image.png
That will show internal flow, seems they are really focusing on that at the moment.

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AR3-GP wrote:
03 May 2025, 04:37
Flow viz on sidepod inlets of Tsunoda during FP1. What are they looking for?

https://i.postimg.cc/R02z4zFV/image.png
The effect of the innermost floor fence on the flow along the chassis. Always remember the flow arounf the chassis may not be the thing they are looking for, but it may be a litmus test to see if it behaves as expected as it is difficult to put flow vis under the floor