2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[diffuser]

Well, now we know why Alonso said that was their last chance of scoring points in 2025. Any updates will be to use the car as a test mule for 2026.

In the 2nd half. Still leaves us 2 updates.

[ispano6]

Something fishy going on here....to be the only team that keeps going backwards.....maybe they want Alonso out Verstapen in for 2026.

Yeah, let's go to last place to attract Max!

Maybe if Stroll finish season whit more more points than Alonso they can ditch Fernando...i don't know, how is it possible to have a car that is half a sec slower than 2023 car.

Wind tunnel time allocation purposes for during 2026?

[-wkst-]

I guess AMR is not the only F1 team to test some 26 ideas in 25.

They are very silent about potential updates for the 25 car, but I would also say not a word, looking at their "update history".

[-wkst-]

Michael Schmidt in his video blog:

He doesn't think that AMR concentrates 100% on 2026 because that would demoralize the whole team, the belief in yourself. One told him that whatever they try with the car, it stays bad or gets even worse. They have no plan to set up the car, no plan which upgrades could help the car. At the beginning the car wasn't that bad in fast corners, but even that changed, most likely because they tried so many different things (setup-wise). They have gone in the completely wrong direction and that's pathetic, looking at the facilities and the engineer team they have.
The worse point of the car is traction

[Alo_Fan]

Michael Schmidt in his video blog:

He doesn't think that AMR concentrates 100% on 2026 because that would demoralize the whole team, the belief in yourself. One told him that whatever they try with the car, it stays bad or gets even worse. They have no plan to set up the car, no plan which upgrades could help the car. At the beginning the car wasn't that bad in fast corners, but even that changed, most likely because they tried so many different things (setup-wise). They have gone in the completely wrong direction and that's pathetic, looking at the facilities and the engineer team they have.
The worse point of the car is traction

It's crazy to think Aston went from having a car with some of the best traction characteristics in early 2023 to one of the worst in 2024 and the worst (in my opinion) in 2025.

[Nikosar]

A journalist during the team principal media day suggested that Aston Martin aren't doing anything in 2025.

Andy Cowell responded:

"Hopefully we can tighten the screws. You can tell Fred [Vasseur]."


What do you think he wanted to hint ? Reference to Cardile ? Or suggesting Fred that McLaren is too far ahead to waste resources in 2025 and focus on 2025 ?

I believe, Fred does not even know

[SealTheRealDeal]

Michael Schmidt in his video blog:

He doesn't think that AMR concentrates 100% on 2026 because that would demoralize the whole team, the belief in yourself. One told him that whatever they try with the car, it stays bad or gets even worse. They have no plan to set up the car, no plan which upgrades could help the car. At the beginning the car wasn't that bad in fast corners, but even that changed, most likely because they tried so many different things (setup-wise). They have gone in the completely wrong direction and that's pathetic, looking at the facilities and the engineer team they have.
The worse point of the car is traction

It's crazy to think Aston went from having a car with some of the best traction characteristics in early 2023 to one of the worst in 2024 and the worst (in my opinion) in 2025.

The team's myopic obsession with drag reduction needs to be studied. They had a car that was a parachute on the straights, but was a downforce monster with good balance and excellent tire life, and they threw all those strengths out in pursuit of straight-line speed. How many engineers did Stroll poach from Williams?

[selvam_e2002]

Is there any possibility for Horner Joining AM as TP or Alonso moving to Alpine again and reunion with Briatore?

[bluechris]

Is there any possibility for Horner Joining AM as TP or Alonso moving to Alpine again and reunion with Briatore?

Why AM will need Horner? for what reason i mean?

[selvam_e2002]

Is there any possibility for Horner Joining AM as TP or Alonso moving to Alpine again and reunion with Briatore?

Why AM will need Horner? for what reason i mean?

I thought as AN here, may be the entire management group move to AM including Max in coming days. this is my personal thought.

Also I think Alonso moving to Alpine again under Briatore.

It is purely my thought.

[-wkst-]

Neither Horner switches to AMR (as Newey would run away the next day most likely), nor ALO goes to a (customer) Alpine team, his final chapter in F1 is AMR, whenever it ends.

[Nikosar]

Is there any possibility for Horner Joining AM as TP or Alonso moving to Alpine again and reunion with Briatore?

Why AM will need Horner? for what reason i mean?

I thought as AN here, may be the entire management group move to AM including Max in coming days. this is my personal thought.

Also I think Alonso moving to Alpine again under Briatore.

It is purely my thought.

The whole Aston Martin project is to make Lance Stroll their number 1 driver and give him the best possible car to fight for wins.

Same with the pink Mercedes : Ocon out, Lance in at the center of the project.

The speculation about Max is purely Saudi Arabia based, as in facts his arrival as the number 1 driver means a change in the ownership and the end of the Lance project. If they want to continue the project, the departure of Alonso will follow a replacement by a good “ second “ driver.

[diffuser]

Michael Schmidt in his video blog:

He doesn't think that AMR concentrates 100% on 2026 because that would demoralize the whole team, the belief in yourself. One told him that whatever they try with the car, it stays bad or gets even worse. They have no plan to set up the car, no plan which upgrades could help the car. At the beginning the car wasn't that bad in fast corners, but even that changed, most likely because they tried so many different things (setup-wise). They have gone in the completely wrong direction and that's pathetic, looking at the facilities and the engineer team they have.
The worse point of the car is traction

It's crazy to think Aston went from having a car with some of the best traction characteristics in early 2023 to one of the worst in 2024 and the worst (in my opinion) in 2025.

The team's myopic obsession with drag reduction needs to be studied. They had a car that was a parachute on the straights, but was a downforce monster with good balance and excellent tire life, and they threw all those strengths out in pursuit of straight-line speed. How many engineers did Stroll poach from Williams?

There is no drag reduction obsession. They had 1 project to reduce drag of the air flow under the covers. That's it. The "downforce monster" of 2023 would just be a distant last in 2025. AM F1 have had problems increasing the stable and predictable downforce on the floor. They have been able to increase peak df in the past but only at the expense of it dropping off in certain points of different types of corners.

[diffuser]

Michael Schmidt in his video blog:

He doesn't think that AMR concentrates 100% on 2026 because that would demoralize the whole team, the belief in yourself. One told him that whatever they try with the car, it stays bad or gets even worse. They have no plan to set up the car, no plan which upgrades could help the car. At the beginning the car wasn't that bad in fast corners, but even that changed, most likely because they tried so many different things (setup-wise). They have gone in the completely wrong direction and that's pathetic, looking at the facilities and the engineer team they have.
The worse point of the car is traction

It's crazy to think Aston went from having a car with some of the best traction characteristics in early 2023 to one of the worst in 2024 and the worst (in my opinion) in 2025.

The team's myopic obsession with drag reduction needs to be studied. They had a car that was a parachute on the straights, but was a downforce monster with good balance and excellent tire life, and they threw all those strengths out in pursuit of straight-line speed. How many engineers did Stroll poach from Williams?

There is no drag reduction obsession. They had 1 project to reduce drag of the air flow under the covers. That's it. The "downforce monster" of 2023 would just be a distant last in 2025. AM F1 have had problems increasing the stable and predictable downforce on the floor. They have been able to increase peak df in the past but only at the expense of it dropping off in certain points of different types of corners.

Hopefully they'll have a new floor at Imola, designed in the new windtunnel, that has figured out the problem.

[diffuser]

Why AM will need Horner? for what reason i mean?

I thought as AN here, may be the entire management group move to AM including Max in coming days. this is my personal thought.

Also I think Alonso moving to Alpine again under Briatore.

It is purely my thought.

The whole Aston Martin project is to make Lance Stroll their number 1 driver and give him the best possible car to fight for wins.

Same with the pink Mercedes : Ocon out, Lance in at the center of the project.

The speculation about Max is purely Saudi Arabia based, as in facts his arrival as the number 1 driver means a change in the ownership and the end of the Lance project. If they want to continue the project, the departure of Alonso will follow a replacement by a good “ second “ driver.

I think it might have been that at one point. It isn't that any more. I still think Stroll could be a solid #2, a Robin to a Batman.