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[Paa]

According to the Telegraaf there was a directive issued on the 12th may and enforced from Imola onwards that concerns the wheel bodywork and tyre treatment. The details of which aren't clear yet, but it may explain some of Waché's comments on the weekend

This was my impression during the whole weekend. For me it seemed that McLaren was a bit more average, rather than Red Bull exceptional. (for sure the upgrades helped).

I think it is not unlikely that FIA found something in the grey-zone when inspecting McLaren's brakeduct.
It makes perfect sense to issue a statement that everything was legal in the system as they did not brake any rules. But at the same time they closed the loophole.

I take it with a pinch of salt for now, but it will be interesting to see some future hot races whether McLaren will stay superior under those circumstances before drawing final conclusions.

[Sergej]

I guess Barcelona will be a very interesting race 2 TDs to keep under observation !

[CjC]

Sorry guys and gals, Red Bull just did a better job in Imola than McLaren did, rather than it being any TDs slowing McLaren down

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia- ... en-battle/

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Sorry guys and gals, Red Bull just did a better job in Imola than McLaren did, rather than it being any TDs slowing McLaren down

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia- ... en-battle/

Yeah The Race are always right! I guess we'll see upon review of more data across many GP

[Cs98]

Sorry guys and gals, Red Bull just did a better job in Imola than McLaren did, rather than it being any TDs slowing McLaren down

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia- ... en-battle/

Yeah The Race are always right! I guess we'll see upon review of more data across many GP

It's not even the Race, that is McLaren saying that. And RB saying they think it's a strange coincidence. I'm inclined to believe McLaren were not affected, not because they said so but because of other circumstances. Teams are never affected when asked for comment.

[CjC]

Sorry guys and gals, Red Bull just did a better job in Imola than McLaren did, rather than it being any TDs slowing McLaren down

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia- ... en-battle/

Yeah The Race are always right! I guess we'll see upon review of more data across many GP

But it literally says Mclaren are adamant they didn’t have to change anything.

Red Bull took an upgrade to Imola and it would seem to me that they have punched above Mclaren, currently making Max the favourite for the WDC.

Not that long ago Zak Brown said that any of the other top 3 teams are 1 upgrade away jumping Mclaren- up step Red Bull and they win the race.
There’s too much fixation on the Miami result- yes it’s a great result for us McLaren fans to savour but that will be an outlier for this season just like Singapore 2024 was.

Also surely it’s a sweeter deal to win a race/ the championship with both teams adhering to the same rules and just doing a better job?

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Sorry guys and gals, Red Bull just did a better job in Imola than McLaren did, rather than it being any TDs slowing McLaren down

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia- ... en-battle/

Yeah The Race are always right! I guess we'll see upon review of more data across many GP

But it literally says Mclaren are adamant they didn’t have to change anything.

Red Bull took an upgrade to Imola and it would seem to me that they have punched above Mclaren, currently making Max the favourite for the WDC.

Not that long ago Zak Brown said that any of the other top 3 teams are 1 upgrade away jumping Mclaren- up step Red Bull and they win the race.
There’s too much fixation on the Miami result- yes it’s a great result for us McLaren fans to savour but that will be an outlier for this season just like Singapore 2024 was.

Also surely it’s a sweeter deal to win a race/ the championship with both teams adhering to the same rules and just doing a better job?

McLaren said they didn't have to change anything after the Baku flexiwing saga too, but they evidently did

[Emag]

Yeah The Race are always right! I guess we'll see upon review of more data across many GP

But it literally says Mclaren are adamant they didn’t have to change anything.

Red Bull took an upgrade to Imola and it would seem to me that they have punched above Mclaren, currently making Max the favourite for the WDC.

Not that long ago Zak Brown said that any of the other top 3 teams are 1 upgrade away jumping Mclaren- up step Red Bull and they win the race.
There’s too much fixation on the Miami result- yes it’s a great result for us McLaren fans to savour but that will be an outlier for this season just like Singapore 2024 was.

Also surely it’s a sweeter deal to win a race/ the championship with both teams adhering to the same rules and just doing a better job?

McLaren said they didn't have to change anything after the Baku flexiwing saga too, but they evidently did

This is not true. They admitted they changed their wings after talks with the FIA before the Singapore GP (which was the next race after Baku)

[f1isgood]

On another note, I am not sure where there is a new narrative that Red Bull should be doing well in Imola is coming from. I honestly don't see the similarity between {Jeddah, Suzuka} and Imola lol.

Imola has like one high speed corner (220+), lots of medium speed (100 - 200) and Red Bull was losing plenty of time there to the McLaren's before this race. And so far from all we have seen, Red Bull can match the McLaren's in high speed, but nowhere else. It's not like McLaren had a disadvantage in high speed.

Given McLaren's performance last year at this same track where they were clearly quicker than Red Bull, I am very much inclined to believe that the upgrades actually made meaningful progress, and not that Red Bull was always going to do well around this track.

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Red Bull technical director Pierre Waché had an explanation for why the heat didn't play into McLaren's hands on Sunday. "On certain types of asphalt with certain tire compounds, the tire wear mechanism changes in our favor in hot weather." The Frenchman declined to elaborate on the tire 101. "That would give too much away."

Better balance enlarges setup window. Red Bull has improved its much-maligned RB21 with its two-piece upgrade. The new underbody, which was already installed in Miami, delivers more stable downforce. The modified cooling intake optimizes the airflow around the sidepods, the modified rear wishbone fairings to the diffuser, and the new rear brake vents allow for better control of tire temperatures. "But it will take time until this works as well as it does at McLaren," fears Sporting Director Helmut Marko.

The impact of recent developments was felt by the drivers. The Red Bull no longer changed its balance between turn-in and the apex. The understeer mid-corner disappeared, but the oversteer on the exit remained. But Verstappen can live with that. "For the first time in a long time, Max hasn't complained," Marko said with a sigh of relief.

The champion praised: "The car was easier to control. This made it easier to manage the tires." Team principal Christian Horner explained that the improvements to the car expanded the setup window. Friday and Saturday were like night and day. This time, it was possible to find a good car setup and not just a half-baked compromise.

The decisive factor will be whether Imola, like Suzuka, was just a snapshot in time where the car benefited from favorable conditions or whether it will provide a better platform in the long term. Technical director Waché remains tight-lipped: "Am I confident now? I don't have an answer to that. I was after Suzuka, and then we were beaten by McLaren three times in a row."

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... e_vignette

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Wonder how much of the new package Yuki will have available at Monaco, given he, uh, modified quite a lot of it last Saturday.

[Sieper]

It is Very unfortunate he wrote off a complete set of parts in the weekend up to Monaco. You can easily write off a car there. If that happens we are in the shitter. They won’t have a lot of parts under the budget cap.

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Has anyone seen any info on whether he had the full set of new bits before quali, and what he had for the race? I haven't seen anything.

[CjC]

Red Bull technical director Pierre Waché had an explanation for why the heat didn't play into McLaren's hands on Sunday. "On certain types of asphalt with certain tire compounds, the tire wear mechanism changes in our favor in hot weather." The Frenchman declined to elaborate on the tire 101. "That would give too much away."

Better balance enlarges setup window. Red Bull has improved its much-maligned RB21 with its two-piece upgrade. The new underbody, which was already installed in Miami, delivers more stable downforce. The modified cooling intake optimizes the airflow around the sidepods, the modified rear wishbone fairings to the diffuser, and the new rear brake vents allow for better control of tire temperatures. "But it will take time until this works as well as it does at McLaren," fears Sporting Director Helmut Marko.

The impact of recent developments was felt by the drivers. The Red Bull no longer changed its balance between turn-in and the apex. The understeer mid-corner disappeared, but the oversteer on the exit remained. But Verstappen can live with that. "For the first time in a long time, Max hasn't complained," Marko said with a sigh of relief.

The champion praised: "The car was easier to control. This made it easier to manage the tires." Team principal Christian Horner explained that the improvements to the car expanded the setup window. Friday and Saturday were like night and day. This time, it was possible to find a good car setup and not just a half-baked compromise.

The decisive factor will be whether Imola, like Suzuka, was just a snapshot in time where the car benefited from favorable conditions or whether it will provide a better platform in the long term. Technical director Waché remains tight-lipped: "Am I confident now? I don't have an answer to that. I was after Suzuka, and then we were beaten by McLaren three times in a row."

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... e_vignette

This is one of the more sensible articles on here regarding the result.
Interesting Waché admitted that Red bull have an advantage over McLaren when it comes to tyre life on certain asphalts in hot conditions. Something that has never been suggested before and was obviously present before Imola, Imola just confirmed his suspicions.

This is the stuff we should be reading not the sensationalist journos who use social media for rage bait

[f1isgood]

Red Bull technical director Pierre Waché had an explanation for why the heat didn't play into McLaren's hands on Sunday. "On certain types of asphalt with certain tire compounds, the tire wear mechanism changes in our favor in hot weather." The Frenchman declined to elaborate on the tire 101. "That would give too much away."

Better balance enlarges setup window. Red Bull has improved its much-maligned RB21 with its two-piece upgrade. The new underbody, which was already installed in Miami, delivers more stable downforce. The modified cooling intake optimizes the airflow around the sidepods, the modified rear wishbone fairings to the diffuser, and the new rear brake vents allow for better control of tire temperatures. "But it will take time until this works as well as it does at McLaren," fears Sporting Director Helmut Marko.

The impact of recent developments was felt by the drivers. The Red Bull no longer changed its balance between turn-in and the apex. The understeer mid-corner disappeared, but the oversteer on the exit remained. But Verstappen can live with that. "For the first time in a long time, Max hasn't complained," Marko said with a sigh of relief.

The champion praised: "The car was easier to control. This made it easier to manage the tires." Team principal Christian Horner explained that the improvements to the car expanded the setup window. Friday and Saturday were like night and day. This time, it was possible to find a good car setup and not just a half-baked compromise.

The decisive factor will be whether Imola, like Suzuka, was just a snapshot in time where the car benefited from favorable conditions or whether it will provide a better platform in the long term. Technical director Waché remains tight-lipped: "Am I confident now? I don't have an answer to that. I was after Suzuka, and then we were beaten by McLaren three times in a row."

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... e_vignette

This is one of the more sensible articles on here regarding the result.
Interesting Waché admitted that Red bull have an advantage over McLaren when it comes to tyre life on certain asphalts in hot conditions. Something that has never been suggested before and was obviously present before Imola, Imola just confirmed his suspicions.

This is the stuff we should be reading not the sensationalist journos who use social media for rage bait

Where is the comparison to McLaren coming from? Clearly not Waché unless there's some bits I am missing.