2025 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 23 - 25

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To the most interesting aspect of the Monaco race :

What's the weather going to be like ?

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venkyhere wrote:
20 May 2025, 15:42
To the most interesting aspect of the Monaco race :

What's the weather going to be like ?
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At the moment Saturday morning dry and from noon (FP3 and Quali) 80% chance for a few showers. Sunday dry.
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I'm really curious what teams have planned for strategy for the mandatory two pit stops. Hope for a safety car and pit twice? Or push like a mfer instead of holding the pack up like they often do?

Will we see teams at the back of the grid pit twice in the first two laps? I think we're gonna see some unexpected things, looking forward to it :)

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I was thinking pit really early 1st lap even, then close back up to the pack ?
Leap them all at their 1st stop then use up the tires and hopfully have a gap to drop back into

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Unc1eM0nty wrote:
20 May 2025, 18:00
I was thinking pit really early 1st lap even, then close back up to the pack ?
Leap them all at their 1st stop then use up the tires and hopfully have a gap to drop back into
I like this idea. The sort of thing red bull should use Tsunoda for

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Early pit stops are punished by VSCs and safety cars which we have had at nearly every race this year. Better to stay out until many cars behind pit. There's no such thing as undercut here because you can't pass the cars on older tires that stayed out.
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I’d be putting on somewhere around lap 5 after starting on the soft, waiting for the race to settle down and the risk of SC is lowered. Pit, onto a hard, catch the back of the grid, then get past them all when they do their first stop.

The chance of an undercut doing the first handful of laps is very slim. Then you just play your race out as a 1 stopper
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Thinking about the Stewards' Guide's "1 m behind = ahead at the apex" here, but sans run-offs it's a matter of MAD same as it just was in Imola, boiling down to: how much do you actually want to force the other driver off? If no asphalt run-off then the outside driver will choose wheel-to-wheel contact with the "ahead" car that is behind him before making contact with a wall or gravel or grass.

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AR3-GP wrote:
20 May 2025, 18:15
Early pit stops are punished by VSCs and safety cars which we have had at nearly every race this year. Better to stay out until many cars behind pit. There's no such thing as undercut here because you can't pass the cars on older tires that stayed out.
Even with that, 1st lap pit stop has good potential risk/reward for some drivers at the back. I wonder how many would try that. If there is a SC during the first few laps it should be a no-brainer for half the field.

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SirBastianVettel wrote:
20 May 2025, 16:07
I'm really curious what teams have planned for strategy for the mandatory two pit stops. Hope for a safety car and pit twice? Or push like a mfer instead of holding the pack up like they often do?

Will we see teams at the back of the grid pit twice in the first two laps? I think we're gonna see some unexpected things, looking forward to it :)
There's a risk of being held up in the pits if everyone pits on the first lap.
I think everyone will push and as soon as a car feels held up by the guy in front, they'll use their first pitstop and from there on the team will make a "normal" strategy.
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I don't think Red Bull or Mclaren will win this race. They have to be more conservative in their strategies. The rest are more likely to gamble because they have nothing to lose. So there will be 2 races. One between PIA, NOR, VER making sure they cover off one another in the pits to maintain track position/pts advantage, and another race between that more conservative group and everyone else who can afford to gamble.

I think it's a little unprecedented to mandate 2 stops and make the race even more of a lottery, but we're past the point of no return.
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AnthonyG wrote:
20 May 2025, 20:16
SirBastianVettel wrote:
20 May 2025, 16:07
I'm really curious what teams have planned for strategy for the mandatory two pit stops. Hope for a safety car and pit twice? Or push like a mfer instead of holding the pack up like they often do?

Will we see teams at the back of the grid pit twice in the first two laps? I think we're gonna see some unexpected things, looking forward to it :)
There's a risk of being held up in the pits if everyone pits on the first lap.
I think everyone will push and as soon as a car feels held up by the guy in front, they'll use their first pitstop and from there on the team will make a "normal" strategy.
or they could dive into the pits right after the formation lap and then change at lights out. that would probably be the fastest solution.

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cplchanb wrote:
20 May 2025, 20:35
AnthonyG wrote:
20 May 2025, 20:16
SirBastianVettel wrote:
20 May 2025, 16:07
I'm really curious what teams have planned for strategy for the mandatory two pit stops. Hope for a safety car and pit twice? Or push like a mfer instead of holding the pack up like they often do?

Will we see teams at the back of the grid pit twice in the first two laps? I think we're gonna see some unexpected things, looking forward to it :)
There's a risk of being held up in the pits if everyone pits on the first lap.
I think everyone will push and as soon as a car feels held up by the guy in front, they'll use their first pitstop and from there on the team will make a "normal" strategy.
or they could dive into the pits right after the formation lap and then change at lights out. that would probably be the fastest solution.
I think there is a rule, that you need to run the tire for one lap.
But I do not see where you are going with the strategy of an early stop. Everyone is going out on fresh tires, so you can not undercut anything with a 1st lap stop. That only makes sense for completely out of position cars like Tsunoda.
A normal competing car needs to run at least half a normal stint length to gamble on an early stop. And this is what I would expect: Just a very early stop on a normal 2 stop strategy.
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AR3-GP wrote:
20 May 2025, 20:33
I don't think Red Bull or Mclaren will win this race. They have to be more conservative in their strategies. The rest are more likely to gamble because they have nothing to lose. So there will be 2 races. One between PIA, NOR, VER making sure they cover off one another in the pits to maintain track position/pts advantage, and another race between that more conservative group and everyone else who can afford to gamble.

I think it's a little unprecedented to mandate 2 stops and make the race even more of a lottery, but we're past the point of no return.
Those gambling and pitting behind will open up nice pit windows for the front teams so there are compounding effects. It'll be interesting and I'd like to be a fly on the wall in the head strategists office atm