Yeah, I don't think even top 3 was on the table. We lacked pure pace of ~3 tenths at least. I feel maybe there was a 10.3 in the car. But maybe I am completely mistaken and what we saw was simply what the car could do (at least in terms of final position).
But Q3 was decent again, no? If so, then I don't believe that tyres were dead, probably was just a genuine mistake by trying too hard.AR3-GP wrote: ↑24 May 2025, 17:28Wide in the hairpin and the turn before the hairpin. Probably mistakes but he sent 18.2 first sector (2 tenths up on anything previous) and probably killed the C6. A case of going much faster in 1 sector punishing the others.Paa wrote: ↑24 May 2025, 17:27We did not see, but Verstappens's S2 was yellow and he lost like 0.5 there, so probably there was a mistake.
With a bit more margin, he could have just back off there, go for a coold down lap and then have an other go. But leaving it for so late did not make this possible.
They aren't going to use Hadjar. At best Yuki can try and keep the Mercedes out of play.Vettel165 wrote: ↑24 May 2025, 17:55Agree I expected this, we could use Hadjar as a blocking driver, pit at the right time and maybe a podium is possible. Will see its a lottery. Imagine if one driver stays out for a very long time, and the red flag comes, he can change the tyres for the second time and have a free pitstop. Gaining 20 seconds to the field.
Tomorrow it will be such a lottery that it's pointless bothering to imagine what can happenVettel165 wrote: ↑24 May 2025, 17:55Agree I expected this, we could use Hadjar as a blocking driver, pit at the right time and maybe a podium is possible. Will see its a lottery. Imagine if one driver stays out for a very long time, and the red flag comes, he can change the tyres for the second time and have a free pitstop. Gaining 20 seconds to the field.
I heard that teams basically skipped the usual scenario analysis because there are so many that they couldn't handle them, they will adapt on the fly.
Amazing analysis, keep up the good work.venkyhere wrote: ↑24 May 2025, 18:09Guys, did anyone realistically expect pole from the RB21 ? if yes, wasn't it because of the 'hope' that Imola gave ? But Imola has fast and medium corners, here there is only a little bit of that in S1, and there the car was on par with Mclarens - the 18.2. Even without looking at data, I bet the 'losses' were through the low speed 'descent' from T5 to T8, through the lowe's hairpin. The fundamental problem with the RB21 (and the RB20, and the RB19 , and the RB18) - slow speed rotation without aero, purely from mech.grip - that's never gone. Kerb riding got a bit improved with Imola update, but slow speed weakness is still on the table.
This race was a writeoff anyway (just like Singapore is) with no 'Redbull redeeming' corners that are above 200kph - so relax, guys. Finishing P5 will not be a disaster result. Plus we know the race is an even bigger lottery now, than ever before. Who knows, the P5 can become P2 or even P10. Just 'dial out' this race and watch for enjoyment tomorrow. Both cars need to make it back "alive" without crashing, and be on the points. It isn't worth it, pushing to the ragged edge on a track that simply doesn't suit the suspension design philosophy of the car, right from it's birth.
And if a safety car comes its game over. But a good idea if there are no red flags.
I agree. It didn't change anything. Max never had anything for a Mclaren or Leclerc if they didn't make mistakes and with any luck he gets promoted a grid spot.Sergej wrote: ↑24 May 2025, 18:10P4 was out reach even combining best sectors
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Overcuts are the only working strategy in Monaco now that cars cannot overtake. Max will not have "free track" pitting from P5 at the start. He'd almost immediately be on to the back of the grid and then stuck and unable to overtake and the gap would grow to the point that guys like Hadjar and Alonso would have a pitstop in hand.
Max Monaco Q3 in ground effect era :Vettel165 wrote: ↑24 May 2025, 18:12Amazing analysis, keep up the good work.venkyhere wrote: ↑24 May 2025, 18:09Guys, did anyone realistically expect pole from the RB21 ? if yes, wasn't it because of the 'hope' that Imola gave ? But Imola has fast and medium corners, here there is only a little bit of that in S1, and there the car was on par with Mclarens - the 18.2. Even without looking at data, I bet the 'losses' were through the low speed 'descent' from T5 to T8, through the lowe's hairpin. The fundamental problem with the RB21 (and the RB20, and the RB19 , and the RB18) - slow speed rotation without aero, purely from mech.grip - that's never gone. Kerb riding got a bit improved with Imola update, but slow speed weakness is still on the table.
This race was a writeoff anyway (just like Singapore is) with no 'Redbull redeeming' corners that are above 200kph - so relax, guys. Finishing P5 will not be a disaster result. Plus we know the race is an even bigger lottery now, than ever before. Who knows, the P5 can become P2 or even P10. Just 'dial out' this race and watch for enjoyment tomorrow. Both cars need to make it back "alive" without crashing, and be on the points. It isn't worth it, pushing to the ragged edge on a track that simply doesn't suit the suspension design philosophy of the car, right from it's birth.
