2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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I wish we had keep Sainz as race strategist for both our drivers :)

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bluechris wrote:
26 May 2025, 11:23
I wish we had keep Sainz as race strategist for both our drivers :)
Or at least as a translator.

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Space-heat wrote:
25 May 2025, 22:18
Hammerfist wrote:
25 May 2025, 21:20
Space-heat wrote:
25 May 2025, 20:36


Quick notes from Multiviewer live timing.

TLDR Hamilton had no pace today. If he did, he and Charles could have worked for a win.

Lap 17
Hamilton released from Alonso (pit)
6.5 s gap to VER

Lap 19
Hamilton pit 1
6.7 s gap to VER

Hamilton pit out
25.2 s gap to VER
Ham 34.1 to lead
Ver 8.9 to lead

Lap 29
VER pit 1
3.5 s gap to VER on pit out. (Hamilton in mostly free air Lap 19-29)

lap 39
14.5 s gap to VER

Lap 49 (Hamilton in free air)
20.1 s gap to VER

Lap 57
ham pit 2
22.4 s to VER
pit out 43.6 s to VER

lap 78 - after VER pit
31 s gap to VER
He lost 11 sec to verstappen from lap 29 to 39. Thats one sec per lap. I dont think he was pushing for whatever reason. I need to see his onboard during those laps. But why wouldn’t he try to stay close to Ver? If he stayed close he might have tried to undercut him and Max wouldn’t have tried to steal the race by waiting for a red flag. Weird.
Tyres were 11 laps older over that stint but that does seems like a lot per lap…
Yeah I had a look at it and he just lost a lot of time through traffic. It wasn’t a case of lack of pace per se but he just took longer than verstappen getting past the back markers. That was the main reason for him losing touch with the leading pack.

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The very first thing a driver needs from his engineer it for him to have his back. This does not sound like a good partnership for what ever reason and if it is not changes soon I see Hamilton off at the end of the year. Jump or pushed, I don't think he is enjoying it and does not need the money or the fame.
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r85 wrote:
26 May 2025, 08:09
Perhaps it's growing pains between the driver and engineer. However Leclerc and Bryan hit it off really well with how concise and sharp the communication is compared to Xavi or even Hamilton and Adami.

As far as performances go, Hamilton and Leclerc are doing a stellar job with the somewhat different circumstances they're in within the team. Charles is pulling everything out of that car while Hamilton is keeping up quite well in a completely team.
Adami-Hamilton can't be compared to Bozzi-Leclerc. Bozzi was on Leclerc's team since he joined Ferrari and they've been pals for years. Even though Bozzi was green in those first few races, their immediate banter and ease with eachother is a great example of why the outside relationship is beneficial to the working one.

Still, people calling for Adami to be fired are reactionary to me. (Not directing this at you, just fans generally.) Adami was great with Vettel and Sainz, maybe Hamilton needs a bit more time to warm up.

We have to remember Hamilton is in a new and different environment, which may make gelling with Adami and co. a little more difficult (he probably has many other things on his plate than bonding time with his engineer.) As Hamilton settles into the team I'm sure things with Adami will also improve.

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Swapping out Adami would just be throwing a bone to the mob. The problem is the car is too slow to win and Hamilton isn't as fast as Leclerc. That reality is stirring up emotions and Adami is an easy target for misdirected anger whenever he makes a mistake. Mistakes will happen regardless of who is engineering.

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Is Ferrari expected to bring upgrades
for the race in Barcelona?

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
26 May 2025, 15:23

We have to remember Hamilton is in a new and different environment, which may make gelling with Adami and co. a little more difficult (he probably has many other things on his plate than bonding time with his engineer.) As Hamilton settles into the team I'm sure things with Adami will also improve.
Hamilton has just come out of a long happy marriage with Bono, and he surely would've liked if he could've brought Bono together with him to Ferrari.

It's different from Charles had a bad relationship with Xavi for years and was looking forward to somebody else to taking the job. And as you said, he already knew Bozzi for years.
We have no idea who in Ferrari's engineering group would put Hamilton at ease.

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Cs98 wrote:
26 May 2025, 16:03
Swapping out Adami would just be throwing a bone to the mob. The problem is the car is too slow to win and Hamilton isn't as fast as Leclerc. That reality is stirring up emotions and Adami is an easy target for misdirected anger whenever he makes a mistake. Mistakes will happen regardless of who is engineering.
Not saying it is Addami's fault, just that they are not on the same wavelength. Some people hit it off immediately, some take time to Gel but this partnership seems doomed. The drop in Hamilton's performance when Angela left was marked, so he seems to build close associations and dependencies which are not there with this team. No ones fault, just human reactions.
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I think people are being a bit dramatic, Lewis and Adami just need more time together, Adami isnt used to the way Lewis like his info, direct and short. Lewis and Bono were pretty rough when they first started together too and now they consider eachother brothers, it just takes time. Here's a few snippets from their early days

https://i.imgur.com/rB84DhV.png

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Luscion wrote:
26 May 2025, 16:59
I think people are being a bit dramatic, Lewis and Adami just need more time together, Adami isnt used to the way Lewis like his info, direct and short. Lewis and Bono were pretty rough when they first started together too and now they consider eachother brothers, it just takes time. Here's a few snippets from their early days

https://i.imgur.com/rB84DhV.png
This

And also Adami is good with performance info like where he can gain time and where he is faster. They just need time.

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Big Tea wrote:
26 May 2025, 16:46
Cs98 wrote:
26 May 2025, 16:03
Swapping out Adami would just be throwing a bone to the mob. The problem is the car is too slow to win and Hamilton isn't as fast as Leclerc. That reality is stirring up emotions and Adami is an easy target for misdirected anger whenever he makes a mistake. Mistakes will happen regardless of who is engineering.
Not saying it is Addami's fault, just that they are not on the same wavelength. Some people hit it off immediately, some take time to Gel but this partnership seems doomed. The drop in Hamilton's performance when Angela left was marked, so he seems to build close associations and dependencies which are not there with this team. No ones fault, just human reactions.
There's no evidence of a marked drop in performance or an external issue, this is pretty much what you'd expect given what we saw from 2022-2024. Some people had unrealistic expectations and now Adami has become their scapegoat.

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Cs98 wrote:
26 May 2025, 17:48
Big Tea wrote:
26 May 2025, 16:46
Cs98 wrote:
26 May 2025, 16:03
Swapping out Adami would just be throwing a bone to the mob. The problem is the car is too slow to win and Hamilton isn't as fast as Leclerc. That reality is stirring up emotions and Adami is an easy target for misdirected anger whenever he makes a mistake. Mistakes will happen regardless of who is engineering.
Not saying it is Addami's fault, just that they are not on the same wavelength. Some people hit it off immediately, some take time to Gel but this partnership seems doomed. The drop in Hamilton's performance when Angela left was marked, so he seems to build close associations and dependencies which are not there with this team. No ones fault, just human reactions.
There's no evidence of a marked drop in performance or an external issue, this is pretty much what you'd expect given what we saw from 2022-2024. Some people had unrealistic expectations and now Adami has become their scapegoat.
i dont think Adami is the scapegoat, there are genuine communication issues between them right now especially in Monaco if you listened to the radio, Ham didnt really have an idea what was going on for quite a few moments of the race and Adami's radio communication cost him 3 places in quali, but calling for Adami to be replaced is a bit much imo

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napoleon1981 wrote:
26 May 2025, 02:22
Seanspeed wrote:
25 May 2025, 22:24
None of that explains why Lewis was so slow, though.
I think Hamilton has been over his peak for a while now. He also hasn't been living for the sport as certain others do, putting in the time in Sims etc. Leclerc is no Bottas or George Russell , who already had the better of Hamilton.
Well yes, but a certain poster here is never going to accept this.

That said, Lewis has been doing his 'celebrity ingratiation' stuff for a long time by now, so I dont think that's it. I think age is simply rearing its ugly head and making him less adaptable. Adaptability was always one of his biggest strengths, as it is for basically any great.

And I also think Russell is underrated and is probably one of the top 5 in the sport right now. I do rate Leclerc higher, but not by miles. Still, it's obvious that Leclerc was always going to be a very tough challenge for Lewis.

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Seanspeed wrote:
26 May 2025, 20:17
Well yes, but a certain poster here is never going to accept this.

That said, Lewis has been doing his 'celebrity ingratiation' stuff for a long time by now, so I dont think that's it. I think age is simply rearing its ugly head and making him less adaptable. Adaptability was always one of his biggest strengths, as it is for basically any great.

And I also think Russell is underrated and is probably one of the top 5 in the sport right now. I do rate Leclerc higher, but not by miles. Still, it's obvious that Leclerc was always going to be a very tough challenge for Lewis.
I agree, I don't think Hamilton's other activities have any relation to his racing. He still spends time in the simulator, goes to the factory, everything else he needs to do as a driver. Ultimately it's the car that's not up to par, which isn't something he can fix by himself. IMO What he does in his free time is none of our business.

I haven't heard any reports of Hamilton not spending as much time in the sim as Leclerc. If that was happening I'm sure the media would be all over it, so the fact we aren't hearing about it means it probably isn't happening. :lol: