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[AR3-GP]

What is this nonsense about "must win" races? We're 1/3 of the way through a marathon season. People are so labile, every race they sit and count points and draw conclusions that they inevitably have to revise when the next batch of points comes in. The championship is a grind, Max needs to stay within striking distance over the second third but there's no "must win" scenario at this point.

Max has 2 wins on the season. He will need 7-8 minimum to win the championship.

Norris has 2 wins and sits three points behind someone with 4 wins. Yes, Max will have to win several more races, but exactly how many he would need to win is completely contingent on how others perform.

Mclaren has not been off the podium in months. We know how they will perform. Max will need to win the high speed tracks that suit this car (Spain, Silverstone, Spa, COTA, Qatar) and try and finish on the podium in the rest.

[Watto]

Honestly I think they maximized the chances they had. Gambling on a red flag was a good idea and could have given them a massive +20 points swing.

Undercutting Piastri was not really on cards, especially as they started on hards.

I think Red Bulls choice of tyres almost forced their hand there.

I do not see what you mean here...sorry...
The pace was controlled, Piastri set the gap to around 4 sec. RedBull never had the pace to put pressure on the front, both McLarens were controlling the pace and Lec was following Nor.

There was no potential undercut. Interestingly their only and best chance was the overcut. Without the backmarkers, there was a realistic chance. I think even one lap it was so close to the needed 19sec, that they might have tried before hitting Bortoletto if I remember correctly.
But in the end, the only way to beat Pia was always going long, waiting for a VSC or SC, later Redflag. That was a good strategy, for everything else they were too slow.

Knowing they would have to use the softs at some point and they really didn't like the soft.

I was surprised that they even put it on and not just took the 30sec penalty.

I think if Red Bull had an extra set of new medium or hard tyres they might have took the chance but that they had to go on the softs at some point probably made it hard. If McLaren pitted Oscar early for his second set of hards if there was a suitable gap (for the 2nd stop) I'm not sure Red Bull could have reacted quickly knowing he would have to go on softs or perhaps a very old set of mediums/hards? And I was meant to refer to the overcut.

Also the other time they were talking about Max pitting when Oscar was in traffic it would have had to have been a near perfect pit stop. From memory when they talked about him making the stop the gap was under 20 seconds a perfect stop and you probably make it but even I think half a second off and the gap isn't there, McLaren probably would have warned Oscar Max was pitting to push if he had the free air. They did that and come out behind Oscar I think it 4th place only.


Also , as someone else had mentioned , Ted said he got it wrong about just not doing the 2nd pit stop has the option of a DSQ, we saw with George the FIA weren't in the mood for deliberate side stepping the rules.

[Cs98]

Max has 2 wins on the season. He will need 7-8 minimum to win the championship.

Norris has 2 wins and sits three points behind someone with 4 wins. Yes, Max will have to win several more races, but exactly how many he would need to win is completely contingent on how others perform.

Mclaren has not been off the podium in months. We know how they will perform. Max will need to win the high speed tracks that suit this car (Spain, Silverstone, Spa, COTA, Qatar) and try and finish on the podium in the rest.

It's not the performance of the McLaren that is uncertain, it's the performance of the other 3 teams relative to them. I am almost certain that McLaren + Verstappen will not win every race this year. Ferrari has some obvious problems that they are working on with ride height, I wouldn't rule out a China type resurgence after upgrades.

[Waz]

Norris has 2 wins and sits three points behind someone with 4 wins. Yes, Max will have to win several more races, but exactly how many he would need to win is completely contingent on how others perform.

Mclaren has not been off the podium in months. We know how they will perform. Max will need to win the high speed tracks that suit this car (Spain, Silverstone, Spa, COTA, Qatar) and try and finish on the podium in the rest.

It's not the performance of the McLaren that is uncertain, it's the performance of the other 3 teams relative to them. I am almost certain that McLaren + Verstappen will not win every race this year. Ferrari has some obvious problems that they are working on with ride height, I wouldn't rule out a China type resurgence after upgrades.

That would only benefit Verstappen if Ferrari can win some races too. Even if he is still behind in those races, another driver collecting the big points is helpful to reduce damage.

Finishing 4th behind a Ferrari and 2 McLarens isn't as bad as 4th behind 2 McLarens and a Ferrari in those orders.

[f1isgood]

This was the race pace at last year's race. Still baffles me the miracles Max did last year to win that title.

On average the McLaren's were at least 4 to 5 tenths quicker. See the pace delta especially at the end of stints my god. Once Russell pits at the end of lap 16, Norris just goes 8 tenths faster than Max .

Hope we have a better car to fight with this year.

[AR3-GP]

This was the race pace at last year's race. Still baffles me the miracles Max did last year to win that title. https://i.imgur.com/HG5IBog.png

On average the McLaren's were at least 4 to 5 tenths quicker. See the pace delta especially at the end of stints my god. Once Russell pits at the end of lap 16, Norris just goes 8 tenths faster than Max .

Hope we have a better car to fight with this year.

If Norris kept the lead into T1 last year, he would have finished 30 seconds ahead. The amount of pace that he unleashed after Russell pitted was insane.

[f1isgood]

This was the race pace at last year's race. Still baffles me the miracles Max did last year to win that title. https://i.imgur.com/HG5IBog.png

On average the McLaren's were at least 4 to 5 tenths quicker. See the pace delta especially at the end of stints my god. Once Russell pits at the end of lap 16, Norris just goes 8 tenths faster than Max .

Hope we have a better car to fight with this year.

If Norris kept the lead into T1 last year, he would have finished 30 seconds ahead. The amount of pace that he unleashed after Russell pitted was insane.

100 percent.

[avantman]

This was the race pace at last year's race. Still baffles me the miracles Max did last year to win that title. https://i.imgur.com/HG5IBog.png

On average the McLaren's were at least 4 to 5 tenths quicker. See the pace delta especially at the end of stints my god. Once Russell pits at the end of lap 16, Norris just goes 8 tenths faster than Max .

Hope we have a better car to fight with this year.

If Norris kept the lead into T1 last year, he would have finished 30 seconds ahead. The amount of pace that he unleashed after Russell pitted was insane.

But wasn't that you who said it's all, I mean their race pace advantage, about rear tire temperature and their new brake ducts for this year?

[AR3-GP]

This was the race pace at last year's race. Still baffles me the miracles Max did last year to win that title. https://i.imgur.com/HG5IBog.png

On average the McLaren's were at least 4 to 5 tenths quicker. See the pace delta especially at the end of stints my god. Once Russell pits at the end of lap 16, Norris just goes 8 tenths faster than Max .

Hope we have a better car to fight with this year.

If Norris kept the lead into T1 last year, he would have finished 30 seconds ahead. The amount of pace that he unleashed after Russell pitted was insane.

But wasn't that you who said it's all, I mean their race pace advantage, about rear tire temperature and their new brake ducts for this year?

In Bahrain and Miami, yes. Mclaren have other strengths too. The front end is very strong on the front limited circuits. That is visible in onboards from Imola. Verstappen still managed to win with a lesser front end and can continue to do so on similar tracks as long as Red Bull keep the base performance level within a reasonable distance to the Mclaren.

[Vettel165]

The real test is in Barcelona yes. The most important race of the year for me in terms of our hope for WDC. This season is crazy in terms of emotion, after China I had zero hope for the title, because of dominant Mclaren. Then again there was some hope after Saudi Arabia, after Miami I already gave up. And then Max won Imola with an amazing perfomance, and there was some small hope again. Will see. Also the main problem could be the tyres, if Red Bull manage to keep them more often in the optimal window, we might have a better chance.

[Sergej]

I understand that this is a very important race, however I wouldn't put all my fiches on it, because remember that Red Bull is working on the rear corner and this work won't be finished in Barcelona (where likely they will bring only a new front wing). So Red Bull may be due another step around Canada/Austria with this work.

My feeling is that expecting the TD to be a game changer is a perfect recipe for a big disappointment.

[Farnborough]

I understand that this is a very important race, however I wouldn't put all my fiches on it, because remember that Red Bull is working on the rear corner and this work won't be finished in Barcelona (where likely they will bring only a new front wing). So Red Bull may be due another step around Canada/Austria with this work.

My feeling is that expecting the TD to be a game changer is a perfect recipe for a big disappointment.

Similar thoughts from me.

Thinking there's definitely some changes one way or another. Likey some shockers, while others pass through relatively unscathed. We're very close to finding out. The phrase "it's only clear who has been swimming naked is revealed when the tide goes out" springs to mind

A chassis can have absolute pace here, but without tyre wear in top draw, then get completely trashed during race.

Going to be an interesting race weekend certainly.

[organic]

Yes this isn't the weekend that I'm pinning my hopes on

[organic]

Autoracer says the upcoming upgrade on the rear corner will be more significant and that the Imola change was on the minor end. But they can only give the same timeline as before, sometime before the end of June

In Milton Keynes the development of the RB21 continues with the bulk of the energy still being concentrated on improving tyre management . We are therefore talking about that important work regarding the wheel corners , with a small step that was already taken in Imola but a more important one will arrive by the end of next month

https://autoracer.it/it/sviluppi-red-bu ... barcellona

[Juzh]

bit late to the party but here's Max's lap from monaco Q3 - 1:10.669
https://streamable.com/ghpwnl


if you wish to compare to norris and leclerc i posted their laps in race thread
https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewt ... 3#p1288943