2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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PierreW
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Ben1980 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:21
PierreW wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:20
I fully support Max.

He has every right to be angered today and the team once again let him down. Not only the car is a disaster that only can fight for the podium in Max's hands, but they sent him to die with that hard tyres.

The person who made this choice should be sidelined even if it's Hannah Schmitz. Max would have done much better with first place and used softs for the few remaining laps. They sent him in the worst position possible on horrible tyres.

The incidents with Leclerc and then Russel are the cherry on the cake and the disastrous Red Bull's call to give up the place was the nail on the coffin. I hope that RB remember to never make that call again.

I am all for Max lashing out at the RB team. They won't be able to become competitive again with this kind of disastrous show and Max will rightfully leave the team if they can't right that ship.
What tyres you giving him? The 7 lap softs?

He should have stayed outwith the used soft. It couldn't have been worse. He would have P1, would have been overtaken by the Mclaren but would have stayed in front of Leclerc.

Not telling Max that they were going to be the only idiots using hards was a backstab. They only told him it was hards after he pitted, he immediately noticed the tyres were ---.

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PierreW wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:24
Ben1980 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:21
PierreW wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:20
I fully support Max.

He has every right to be angered today and the team once again let him down. Not only the car is a disaster that only can fight for the podium in Max's hands, but they sent him to die with that hard tyres.

The person who made this choice should be sidelined even if it's Hannah Schmitz. Max would have done much better with first place and used softs for the few remaining laps. They sent him in the worst position possible on horrible tyres.

The incidents with Leclerc and then Russel are the cherry on the cake and the disastrous Red Bull's call to give up the place was the nail on the coffin. I hope that RB remember to never make that call again.

I am all for Max lashing out at the RB team. They won't be able to become competitive again with this kind of disastrous show and Max will rightfully leave the team if they can't right that ship.
What tyres you giving him? The 7 lap softs?

He should have stayed outwith the used soft. It couldn't have been worse. He would have P1, would have been overtaken by the Mclaren but would have stayed in front of Leclerc.

Not telling Max that they were going to be the only idiots using hards was a backstab. They only told him it was hards after he pitted, he immediately noticed the tyres were ---.
Totally would have been better, the Mclaren's would have been fighting between themselves too from the defense of Max making Lando close up to Piastri.

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Dee wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:27
PierreW wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:24
Ben1980 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:21


What tyres you giving him? The 7 lap softs?

He should have stayed outwith the used soft. It couldn't have been worse. He would have P1, would have been overtaken by the Mclaren but would have stayed in front of Leclerc.

Not telling Max that they were going to be the only idiots using hards was a backstab. They only told him it was hards after he pitted, he immediately noticed the tyres were ---.
Totally would have been better, the Mclaren's would have been fighting between themselves too from the defense of Max making Lando close up to Piastri.
Hemut Marko” Ze hard zyre did nut pfferfomm az ve ezpektud”

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3 Penalty points for Max. One more to go for a race ban.


SB15
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FNTC wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 17:13
He didnt go off track, russell caused a collision that pushed him off the track
Russell didn’t cause a collision, though it looked liked he kinda forced Max off the track, but remember Max was struggling with grip because of Redbull’s outrageous decision to put him on the hards.

In turn 5, Max just sent it on the inside way far back and made contact with George for no reason, because he knows the hard tyres are simply not going to give him the confidence to retake the position so he tried something… unfairly.

This P10 was on both the team and driver.

PierreW
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SB15 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:37
FNTC wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 17:13
He didnt go off track, russell caused a collision that pushed him off the track
Russell didn’t cause a collision, though it looked liked he kinda forced Max off the track, but remember Max was struggling with grip because of Redbull’s outrageous decision to put him on the hards.

In turn 5, Max just sent it on the inside way far back and made contact with George for no reason, because he knows the hard tyres are simply not going to give him the confidence to retake the position so he tried something… unfairly.

This P10 was on both the team and driver.
Russell caused a collision.

The P10 was only on the team. The person who picked the hard tyre should be fired. That's above Ferrari level of self destruction.

And with each decision like that, they lose Max more.

avantman
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rbirules wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 17:02
avantman wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 16:52
euv2 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 16:50


You're right, staying out might have been the best move, Leclerc did not have any pace at all, would have been P3 at worst.
honestly I could not believe what I saw when I saw him on hard because based on Pirelli info on tire allocation before the race Max had three used softs, not just two. Where has that 3rd set gone I wonder? Who did get it wrong - Pirelli or the team?
He was already on the third set of soft tires when the SC came out. S-S-M-S-H
he was on 2nd set of used soft. he had new set on the 2nd stint. according to pirelli he had 4 sets of soft in total.

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yeah another mistake was not to talk Max they were going hard, they should have asked for his opinion, I'm sure he would have chosen to stay ahead in first position and defend from there

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avantman wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:42
rbirules wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 17:02
avantman wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 16:52

honestly I could not believe what I saw when I saw him on hard because based on Pirelli info on tire allocation before the race Max had three used softs, not just two. Where has that 3rd set gone I wonder? Who did get it wrong - Pirelli or the team?
He was already on the third set of soft tires when the SC came out. S-S-M-S-H
he was on 2nd set of used soft. he had new set on the 2nd stint. according to pirelli he had 4 sets of soft in total.
probably they used one of the 3 used set for the laps to the grid before the start

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SB15 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:37
FNTC wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 17:13
He didnt go off track, russell caused a collision that pushed him off the track
Russell didn’t cause a collision, though it looked liked he kinda forced Max off the track, but remember Max was struggling with grip because of Redbull’s outrageous decision to put him on the hards.

In turn 5, Max just sent it on the inside way far back and made contact with George for no reason, because he knows the hard tyres are simply not going to give him the confidence to retake the position so he tried something… unfairly.

This P10 was on both the team and driver.
ohhoho mate, don't be silly. Max wasnt trying to do anything 'unfairly', to stay ahead if that's what you meant.
his point was basically what goes around comes around. that's what you get if you crash into me to get ahead.

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Sergej wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:44
avantman wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:42
rbirules wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 17:02


He was already on the third set of soft tires when the SC came out. S-S-M-S-H
he was on 2nd set of used soft. he had new set on the 2nd stint. according to pirelli he had 4 sets of soft in total.
probably they used one of the 3 used set for the laps to the grid before the start
probably, but does that mean they must be discarded after?

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Without the SC, Max would have lasted to the end. And there 5 laps under SC to preserve the tyre. That was pure stupidity to make him stop for the hards. He was an easy target after that.

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avantman wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:47
Sergej wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:44
avantman wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:42

he was on 2nd set of used soft. he had new set on the 2nd stint. according to pirelli he had 4 sets of soft in total.
probably they used one of the 3 used set for the laps to the grid before the start
probably, but does that mean they must be discarded after?
not sure if you have to discard it by rule, or the team assessed it was not a good tyre anymore

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PierreW wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:39
SB15 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:37
FNTC wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 17:13
He didnt go off track, russell caused a collision that pushed him off the track
Russell didn’t cause a collision, though it looked liked he kinda forced Max off the track, but remember Max was struggling with grip because of Redbull’s outrageous decision to put him on the hards.

In turn 5, Max just sent it on the inside way far back and made contact with George for no reason, because he knows the hard tyres are simply not going to give him the confidence to retake the position so he tried something… unfairly.

This P10 was on both the team and driver.
Russell caused a collision.

The P10 was only on the team. The person who picked the hard tyre should be fired. That's above Ferrari level of self destruction.

And with each decision like that, they lose Max more.
It wasn’t caused by Russell. Max knew he wasn’t going to have the grip into turn 5 and no one other than Redbull fans can deny that this did seem deliberate from Verstappen and it looked as if Max himself didn’t deny that it was.

Max was P3 and all he had to do was the limit damage and could’ve been at least P5-P6. But that 10 second penalty he caused didn’t do him or the team any favors.

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SB15 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:50
PierreW wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:39
SB15 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 18:37


Russell didn’t cause a collision, though it looked liked he kinda forced Max off the track, but remember Max was struggling with grip because of Redbull’s outrageous decision to put him on the hards.

In turn 5, Max just sent it on the inside way far back and made contact with George for no reason, because he knows the hard tyres are simply not going to give him the confidence to retake the position so he tried something… unfairly.

This P10 was on both the team and driver.
Russell caused a collision.

The P10 was only on the team. The person who picked the hard tyre should be fired. That's above Ferrari level of self destruction.

And with each decision like that, they lose Max more.
It wasn’t caused by Russell. Max knew he wasn’t going to have the grip into turn 5 and no one other than Redbull fans can deny that this did seem deliberate from Verstappen and it looked as if Max himself didn’t deny that it wasn’t.

Max was P3 and all he had to do was the limit damage and could’ve been at least P5-P6. But that 10 second penalty he caused didn’t do him or the team any favors.
Max was on his line and Russel tyre came to hit Max's tyre. Therefore Russell caused a collision.

If Max was in Leclerc or Russell position, he would have been penalized two times.

Who care honestly between P5-6 or P10? Max is only in it for podiums. The rest is nothing since the championship is over.
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