2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[DJ Downforce]

Considering how big a job bringing it to Canada would be, I doubt the team will even know if it's possible before next week so I wouldn't expect auto racer to know until about a week from now.

Will the new suspension be listed in the upgrade sheet or not as it's mechanical?

[deadhead]

I hope Autoracer drops some news for us to discuss soon because I don't know if I can live with this thread devolving into Hamilton vs Leclerc trolling for the next two weeks...

I was really hoping broken clock Nunges was right on the rear suspension arriving early but looking unlikely as AR haven't mentioned yet.

I’d bet on it being late rather than being early

[catent]

If having a --- car is Ferrari's fault, having --- drivers or engine is the respective team's fault.

That Ferrari could lead despite a double DSQ in China shows how much the others have underperformed.

Ferrari have no business being there with a car that is consistently 4th or 5th fastest.

Props to the drivers. Maximised results every time.

4th, 5th? In what universe exactly? Easily third in quali and many times second best in the race, especially if we take average performance. They have become much more competitive in last few races. At start of the season they were further behind. Now? Not so much.

McLaren, RB, Mercedes, Ferrari is the right order. Williams were faster in Miami.

Every circuit isn't Monaco just like how they aren't Miami as well.

4th fastest car saved by a great driver pairing. Having better race pace isn't going to help when cars are running in dirty air. And race pace turns --- once cars gets lighter.

You can deny all you want. No my problem.

This is lacking in some necessary nuance regarding race pace/tire management and car evolution over the course of a season.

A given team's performance is not static, generally nor relative to other teams. Car developments occur, track variation, weather variations, etc.

That's why these sort of tiered pace rankings are basically pointless (unless evaluating a season that has already fully occurred). A car's relative pace in May could certainly be different come August, let alone the (sometimes significant) swings we see in a given team's performance from week-to-week.

Based on what we've observed since Imola, it's probably fair to conclude that Ferrari are better positioned moving forward than Mercedes is (especially if the rear-suspension update is successful, which remains to be seen).

Among the top-4 teams, Mercedes seem to have the least direction/room for developmental growth at the moment; Ferrari and Red Bull are wildcards and seem to have potential to be tapped into/unlocked; McLaren currently have the most consistent, well-rounded racecar.

[ringo]

I do not think you can make the prediction about Mercedes. As it stands they are third fastest team.
Their car does not have an impairment like Ferrari's. And when Ferrari fixes their impairment, there is nothing stopping Mercedes from putting on a development that makes it much faster. Mercedes limitation is money spent on development paths. That's a nice problem to have. Ferrari is more limited. It's a physical barrier that they cannot even cross yet, and this barrier prevents any kind of deeper refinement to the car.

[djones]

Apparently in Spain Ferrari messed up the wing setting on Hamilton's car from the start, then tried to adjust them in the pits but made it even worse.

[DJ Downforce]

Apparently in Spain Ferrari messed up the wing setting on Hamilton's car from the start, then tried to adjust them in the pits but made it even worse.

Source?

[Space-heat]

Apparently in Spain Ferrari messed up the wing setting on Hamilton's car from the start, then tried to adjust them in the pits but made it even worse.

Source?

More likely is that Lewis complained about a loose rear or lack of front grip during an early stint, and the team adjusted his FW in the pit stop. I want Lewis to succeed as much as anyone, but can we accept the adjustment is going to be longer than we all hoped? Unless Fred says they messed up the settings then it's all hearsay. AR reported there were no issues with Charles' or Lewis' car.

I have seen a lot of people say that Lewis' driving style doesn't suit the GE cars. I dunno if this is another one of those "the car is designed around x driver" myths or it might be age catching up, but hopefully with the rules reset next year, he can find a better pace.

[deadhead]

Hamilton has been driving ground effect cars his whole career. When was the last time we hade an F1 car which wasn’t relying on ground effects to go around a track?

So he can’t adopt this particular ground effect cars, not all ground effect cars.

[DJ Downforce]

Thoughts?

[ringo]

English translation i think is th forum etiquette.

[DJ Downforce]

Sorry sir...

eh can I spoil it here? anyway yes, something will come (calm down on Silverstone though..).

[ringo]

Apparently in Spain Ferrari messed up the wing setting on Hamilton's car from the start, then tried to adjust them in the pits but made it even worse.

Source?

More likely is that Lewis complained about a loose rear or lack of front grip during an early stint, and the team adjusted his FW in the pit stop. I want Lewis to succeed as much as anyone, but can we accept the adjustment is going to be longer than we all hoped? Unless Fred says they messed up the settings then it's all hearsay. AR reported there were no issues with Charles' or Lewis' car.

I have seen a lot of people say that Lewis' driving style doesn't suit the GE cars. I dunno if this is another one of those "the car is designed around x driver" myths or it might be age catching up, but hopefully with the rules reset next year, he can find a better pace.

Fred himself said there was something wrong.
He wont say what it is. They made changes to relieve something but probably didnt ask how much to change.
I think they assume Lewis doesn't know the car so they know how much clicks to put in anyway so why ask. That didn't work out.
The other issue is possibly floor damage.

I think generally Lewis is outdated in terms of driving technique. I say that as a fan.
The same goes for Alonso and Hulk.
Lewis will do well once the car's rear is planted and be unbeatable. The problem is when the rear is not planted. The younger drivers do not need to drive as much on feeling or feedback. They can push and throw the car more with less hesitation because theyre likely not waiting for a feedback. That's my observation. The stiffer platform and the low profile tyre just requires a technique that Hamilton does not possess by instinct. When you are not driving by instinct you are going to lose some milliseconds per corner.

In the grand scheme Lewis' problem is noticable but very minor given the circumstances.
His points gap to Charles is norrowest teammate gap on the grid second only to Oscar and Lando; both in the same car for over 2 years. I have not checked it, but i suspect Carlos was not this close on points at race 9 either. Even worse when he just joined Ferrari.
Charles was not this close to Vettel at race 9 when he just joined etc.
So Lewis is not doing bad. Doing a decent job. But there is a lot of noise, and he is judged unfairly because of the attention he brings, the media pundits who are envious, and generally fans waiting decades for some kind of downfall or unravelling.
He wont improve in this generation's car. Only if it drives at the limit where the feeling does not fluctuate as much so he doesnt have guess what's going to happen.
I don't know why his 2023 was so good. Or if it was that George was having a bad year.

[DJ Downforce]

Source?

More likely is that Lewis complained about a loose rear or lack of front grip during an early stint, and the team adjusted his FW in the pit stop. I want Lewis to succeed as much as anyone, but can we accept the adjustment is going to be longer than we all hoped? Unless Fred says they messed up the settings then it's all hearsay. AR reported there were no issues with Charles' or Lewis' car.

I have seen a lot of people say that Lewis' driving style doesn't suit the GE cars. I dunno if this is another one of those "the car is designed around x driver" myths or it might be age catching up, but hopefully with the rules reset next year, he can find a better pace.

I think they assume Lewis doesn't know the car so they know how much clicks to put in anyway so why ask.

They will always ask and let him know, it's one of the main ways a driver can improve the feel in the next stint. He asked if they changed it without asking and they said no

[El_KaPpa]

Source?

More likely is that Lewis complained about a loose rear or lack of front grip during an early stint, and the team adjusted his FW in the pit stop. I want Lewis to succeed as much as anyone, but can we accept the adjustment is going to be longer than we all hoped? Unless Fred says they messed up the settings then it's all hearsay. AR reported there were no issues with Charles' or Lewis' car.

I have seen a lot of people say that Lewis' driving style doesn't suit the GE cars. I dunno if this is another one of those "the car is designed around x driver" myths or it might be age catching up, but hopefully with the rules reset next year, he can find a better pace.

Fred himself said there was something wrong.
He wont say what it is. They made changes to relieve something but probably didnt ask how much to change.
I think they assume Lewis doesn't know the car so they know how much clicks to put in anyway so why ask. That didn't work out.
The other issue is possibly floor damage.

I think generally Lewis is outdated in terms of driving technique. I say that as a fan.
The same goes for Alonso and Hulk.
Lewis will do well once the car's rear is planted and be unbeatable. The problem is when the rear is not planted. The younger drivers do not need to drive as much on feeling or feedback. They can push and throw the car more with less hesitation because theyre likely not waiting for a feedback. That's my observation. The stiffer platform and the low profile tyre just requires a technique that Hamilton does not possess by instinct. When you are not driving by instinct you are going to lose some milliseconds per corner.

In the grand scheme Lewis' problem is noticable but very minor given the circumstances.
His points gap to Charles is norrowest teammate gap on the grid second only to Oscar and Lando; both in the same car for over 2 years. I have not checked it, but i suspect Carlos was not this close on points at race 9 either. Even worse when he just joined Ferrari.
Charles was not this close to Vettel at race 9 when he just joined etc.
So Lewis is not doing bad. Doing a decent job. But there is a lot of noise, and he is judged unfairly because of the attention he brings, the media pundits who are envious, and generally fans waiting decades for some kind of downfall or unravelling.
He wont improve in this generation's car. Only if it drives at the limit where the feeling does not fluctuate as much so he doesnt have guess what's going to happen.
I don't know why his 2023 was so good. Or if it was that George was having a bad year.

It’s always curious how the so-called balanced takes start with “I’m a fan, but...” and then go on to describe the driver as outdated, instinctively inferior and basically past it. Sounds less like fandom and more like an excuse to downgrade a 7-time world champion under the cover of objectivity.

If Lewis is truly struggling, it’s in a car not designed around him, with limited input so far and still the gap to Leclerc is minimal. That says more about Hamilton’s level than any theory about instinct or generational driving styles.

[Vanja #66]

Fan theories contradicting known facts are my absolute favourite