2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Vanja #66]

we are pushing back against incompetence, spread the word

#ElkannOUT #VignaOUT

[DJ Downforce]

we are pushing back against incompetence, spread the word

#ElkannOUT #VignaOUT

Sadly this won't change anything, and it's exactly why Ferrari will never win another title again

[venkyhere]

The problem is when the rear is not planted. The younger drivers do not need to drive as much on feeling or feedback. They can push and throw the car more with less hesitation because theyre likely not waiting for a feedback.

Sorry to say, I haven't read anything crappier than this about 'driving' rwd cars with no tc/abs ; in my entire life.

Sometimes you should think before you type. If you think the F1 drivers feel everything before they react then you have a lot to learn. Rear wheel drive doesnt matter. An F1 car is not a sports car. It's an aerodynamic car firstly. The drivers are likely driving on faith in the machine 50% of the time. They are not feeling and reacting to everything. A perfect example is under braking. This is why so many time drivers make mistakes and fall of the track when the tyres are not up to temperature or the track is a little damp. They had faith in grip that they cannot feel until it's too late. They know and believe they should be able to brake at 100m or go through a corner at 150kph. But once the conditions change especially the tyres.. there's only so much you can feel and react to.
The younger drivers depend less on feeling and more on what the simulations say should be possible.
See Antonelli free practice debut last year at Monza. Blind faith in performance expectation is what happened.

Oh god. More of the same.
it's impossible to drive a racing car without 'feel'. That too something from a category that has one of the hardest suspensions of all categories of racing. To say that 50% of the time they don't bother about feel and drive on blind trust alone, is absurd. Trust me, either you don't know what you are talking about, or are not articulating well what you are trying to say. Driving such ultra sensitive cars (F1 cars in general, from any era) is like a delicate dance, it cannot happen without 'feeling' what the car is doing, all the time. The only difference between 'in control' and 'lost control' is 'how well the feel was judged' for previous input and how well the next input is going to be provided 'in prediction' of how the car is going to react next. A glaring example of this mechanism - the 'build up' of the laps they do in practice, before quali, successively trying to exploit the limit of grip more and more each time they run.

To say that 'feedback' is less important to younger generation drivers who have grown up on sims , than the older generation, is incorrect. What you call 'throwing the car around' is what even the older generation did. Just that newer generation cars have more 'tools' to on-the-fly adjust the behavior of the car to driver inputs. The human mechanism of 'driving' has always been the same.

[Sevach]

we are pushing back against incompetence, spread the word

#ElkannOUT #VignaOUT

Which articles are these?

But yeah, Ferrari's recent trend of dumping the TP does not work, it's a constant cycle of a new guy stepping in, having to get accostumed to the team, starts making some changes... and getting booted immediately after.
Then we repeat the same process with another guy.

[MattLightBlue]

we are pushing back against incompetence, spread the word

#ElkannOUT #VignaOUT

Sadly this won't change anything, and it's exactly why Ferrari will never win another title again

It is a toxic environment there, which helps only people with the same mentality.
I know young engineers who think this is normal only because they only worked there. Until someone bans the obsession of finding culprits and listening to old workers only, they will never win again. This management is competent enough for street cars, not for Formula 1. Vasseur has to stay.

[Vanja #66]

Which articles are these?

But yeah, Ferrari's recent trend of dumping the TP does not work, it's a constant cycle of a new guy stepping in, having to get accostumed to the team, starts making some changes... and getting booted immediately after.
Then we repeat the same process with another guy.

By Gazette, Corriere and Nugnes via his Italian outlet

[Fakepivot]

What a chaotic start to race weekend.. pretty much get binatto vibe.. same thing happened then.. also report of Charles losing faith in the team makes sense since he bonded with vasseur if he goes then charles might not see himself going beyond 2026

[deadhead]

we are pushing back against incompetence, spread the word

#ElkannOUT #VignaOUT

#VasseurOUT should be included

[Vanja #66]

Sadly this won't change anything, and it's exactly why Ferrari will never win another title again

There's a lot of energy and passion among Tifosi and it needs some kind of direction to right persons

We got to trending on X alone with over 1000 posts in under 3 hours, it's just getting started

[deadhead]

Who put together the WEC program?

I’m pretty sure Elkann and co did that and at least the team is having some success there…

[Fakepivot]

Who put together the WEC program?

I’m pretty sure Elkann and co did that and at least the team is having some success there…

they were in wec with GTE PRO program long before... after f1 cost cap they had surplus, so they invested in hyper car program. but they don't have fastest car there, that belongs to Toyota, also that has BOP to level out playing field ..
you should see last year how they fumbled and made error which if they did in f1 they would have been ridiculed to no end.

[dialtone]

Who put together the WEC program?

I’m pretty sure Elkann and co did that and at least the team is having some success there…

they were in wec with GTE PRO program long before... after f1 cost cap they had surplus, so they invested in hyper car program. but they don't have fastest car there, that belongs to Toyota, also that has BOP to level out playing field ..
you should see last year how they fumbled and made error which if they did in f1 they would have been ridiculed to no end.

Lmao. Absolutely WILD take on Ferrari performance in WEC since their arrival.

[Fakepivot]

Who put together the WEC program?

I’m pretty sure Elkann and co did that and at least the team is having some success there…

they were in wec with GTE PRO program long before... after f1 cost cap they had surplus, so they invested in hyper car program. but they don't have fastest car there, that belongs to Toyota, also that has BOP to level out playing field ..
you should see last year how they fumbled and made error which if they did in f1 they would have been ridiculed to no end.

Lmao. Absolutely WILD take on Ferrari performance in WEC since their arrival.

well whats Wild that BOP levels out the playing field? yea they have the good car but not outright the Best.. often Toyota with higher weight outperformed Ferrari.. last year Brazil they had similar weight and toyota beath them.

If f1 had BOP, then we could see current team also win lot more since they are solid so far in pitstop and race execution since i say 2023 2nd half bar few here and there F-ups.

[dialtone]

well whats Wild that BOP levels out the playing field? yea they have the good car but not outright the Best.. often Toyota with higher weight outperformed Ferrari.. last year Brazil they had similar weight and toyota beath them.

If f1 had BOP, then we could see current team also win lot more since they are solid so far in pitstop and race execution since i say 2023 2nd half bar few here and there F-ups.

For starters the class is designed with BoP in mind, what would happen without BoP or power limits is a meaningless question, Ferrari 499P can output more than 1000bhp but it's limited to 671hp max by rule. Sao Paulo was also last year, Toyota qualified 1-2 with margin, while this year they've had difficulties breaking into Hyperpole, including Lemans where their BoP is everything but unfavorable, with a similar power to weight as Ferrari, which is actually what matters more than just weight.

Ferrari came in winning races from the first year, where is Aston Martin this year? where is Peugeot? Toyota has been developing and being part of WEC for more than a decade, when is the last time a brand new manufacturer entered F1 and won races in their first season, or even lead a single lap in their first season?

Wild take.

[DJ Downforce]

Sadly this won't change anything, and it's exactly why Ferrari will never win another title again

There's a lot of energy and passion among Tifosi and it needs some kind of direction to right persons

We got to trending on X alone with over 1000 posts in under 3 hours, it's just getting started

The campaign will need to spread further. Plans should be made for #elkannout posters to be displayed at Monza and outside Maranello.