2025 FIM MotoGP World Championship

[CHT]

Marc Marquez totally destroyed his teammate both on and off tracks.
Pecco will have to start looking for a new team if he wishes to win championship again.

Marc moving Ducati and LH moving to Ferrari have so much in common, yet so different in outcome.

So sorry for Jorge Martin.

I didn't feel Pecco as a champion like MM, Rossi or Fabio. But at the end he succeed it. Now his performance prooves my previous feeling and I know there is people feels like me. But if he left team as you said, I think he will be finished. He should learn how to ride better and defeat MM with same bike to show us what he is.

It's been painfully obvious for many years that Ducati had the best bike on the grid and was constantly being let down by its lackluster riders. It was only when they created an extremely dominant bike that they finally started winning championships.

Like, I am 100% comfortable claiming that if you switch Dovi and Marc in 2018, that Marc wins the title. And not just cuz Marc is any sort of GOAT, but because if you put like some equivalent top rider on the Honda and the same on the Ducati, the Ducati rider would win out.

I think it might even be arguable before 2018 because prime Marquez was absolutely like Stoner in that he could do magical things with difficult-to-ride bikes.

Bottom line, Ducati has had the best bike for at least 7 years in a row, and the only reason they dont have more to show for it is because their riders haven't actually been that amazing. In fact, their riders have consistently been flattered by the Ducati, not the other way around.

I actually think MM is one of the GOAT and the journey he took to return to winning races again is indeed admirable.
Leaving Honda, take a big pay cut, ride with junior team for 1 year and then promoted to factory team.
How many GOAT in motorsports did that? And I think MM stories isnt over yet and he may still have some more good years ahead of him.

[McLarenHonda]

I didn't feel Pecco as a champion like MM, Rossi or Fabio. But at the end he succeed it. Now his performance prooves my previous feeling and I know there is people feels like me. But if he left team as you said, I think he will be finished. He should learn how to ride better and defeat MM with same bike to show us what he is.

It's been painfully obvious for many years that Ducati had the best bike on the grid and was constantly being let down by its lackluster riders. It was only when they created an extremely dominant bike that they finally started winning championships.

Like, I am 100% comfortable claiming that if you switch Dovi and Marc in 2018, that Marc wins the title. And not just cuz Marc is any sort of GOAT, but because if you put like some equivalent top rider on the Honda and the same on the Ducati, the Ducati rider would win out.

I think it might even be arguable before 2018 because prime Marquez was absolutely like Stoner in that he could do magical things with difficult-to-ride bikes.

Bottom line, Ducati has had the best bike for at least 7 years in a row, and the only reason they dont have more to show for it is because their riders haven't actually been that amazing. In fact, their riders have consistently been flattered by the Ducati, not the other way around.

I actually think MM is one of the GOAT and the journey he took to return to winning races again is indeed admirable.
Leaving Honda, take a big pay cut, ride with junior team for 1 year and then promoted to factory team.
How many GOAT in motorsports did that? And I think MM stories isnt over yet and he may still have some more good years ahead of him.

Exactly!

Some yellow buddies will tell you that Vale left Honda in 2003 and went to the worst ever bike on the grid (it wasn’t even far behind Honda…they just didn’t have proper riders)!

Yet when he joined a properly “bad” bike (it wasn’t cause it was winning races just 3 months earlier with Stoner onboard) in 2011…he couldn’t even touch the podium and he was crashing all the time…

[Waz]

It's been painfully obvious for many years that Ducati had the best bike on the grid and was constantly being let down by its lackluster riders. It was only when they created an extremely dominant bike that they finally started winning championships.

Like, I am 100% comfortable claiming that if you switch Dovi and Marc in 2018, that Marc wins the title. And not just cuz Marc is any sort of GOAT, but because if you put like some equivalent top rider on the Honda and the same on the Ducati, the Ducati rider would win out.

I think it might even be arguable before 2018 because prime Marquez was absolutely like Stoner in that he could do magical things with difficult-to-ride bikes.

Bottom line, Ducati has had the best bike for at least 7 years in a row, and the only reason they dont have more to show for it is because their riders haven't actually been that amazing. In fact, their riders have consistently been flattered by the Ducati, not the other way around.

I actually think MM is one of the GOAT and the journey he took to return to winning races again is indeed admirable.
Leaving Honda, take a big pay cut, ride with junior team for 1 year and then promoted to factory team.
How many GOAT in motorsports did that? And I think MM stories isnt over yet and he may still have some more good years ahead of him.

Exactly!

Some yellow buddies will tell you that Vale left Honda in 2003 and went to the worst ever bike on the grid (it wasn’t even far behind Honda…they just didn’t have proper riders)!

Yet when he joined a properly “bad” bike (it wasn’t cause it was winning races just 3 months earlier with Stoner onboard) in 2011…he couldn’t even touch the podium and he was crashing all the time…

Oh dear. The 2011 Ducati was completely different to the years before, using an all carbon fiber chassis that was way too stiff. It was an utter failure and Gigi will readily admit that.

[Cuky]

Since Yamaha started showing top places speed they have been hit with equal amount of bad luck. Call me crazy but one starts to wonder if they are sabotaging their races on purpose. They show improved speed, they see they can compete, but not getting good results will keep them their concessions. If I remember correctly concessions are re-evaluated at the summer break. If they keep low points percentage they keep them until the end of the season which means they will be able to have wildcards and maybe test V4 in a GP weekend as they said they will if it is ready.

And yes, just to clarify, I don't believe that they are intentionally faultering in the race. But it seems to be kinda convenient.

[McLarenHonda]

Since Yamaha started showing top places speed they have been hit with equal amount of bad luck. Call me crazy but one starts to wonder if they are sabotaging their races on purpose. They show improved speed, they see they can compete, but not getting good results will keep them their concessions. If I remember correctly concessions are re-evaluated at the summer break. If they keep low points percentage they keep them until the end of the season which means they will be able to have wildcards and maybe test V4 in a GP weekend as they said they will if it is ready.

And yes, just to clarify, I don't believe that they are intentionally faultering in the race. But it seems to be kinda convenient.

Interesting thought there but I would say only Silverstone was bad luck! At Le Mans Fabio crashed by himself and at Jerez he also did so in the Sprint against Marc! So I don’t think anything is happening on purpose!

[Cuky]

So in recent days, maybe couple of weeks, rumours have started circulating that Jorge Martin is going to leave Aprilia at the end of this season. Aprilia came out during (or was it just before) British GP weekend with a statement that they have a valid contract for 2026 and that they are expecting for Martin to see it through. Today Martin released a statement that he has decided to not remain with Aprilia in 2026 and that he has a clause in his contract, on which he insisted when they were negotiating, that allowes him to leave if some expectations aren't met.

So, where could he be going next year? Some rumours are already circulating that he could be on his way to factory Honda team. Now that is looking to be a pickle, because there were talks even before French GP that Zarco could switch from LCR to factory team. Add to that that Oliveira looks like he will be out of Pramac and replaced by Razgatlioglu there seems to all of a sudden be too many riders for available bikes.

[Cuky]

https://www.gpone.com/en/2025/05/30/mot ... amaha.html

[phantaman]

At this point, team lineups are less predictable than Yamaha’s top speed. Jorge might as well show up next year on a unicycle with a V4 strapped to it.

[Seanspeed]

I really think the current situation highlights the absurdity of the points system.

Marc Marquez has won 5 feature races, when nobody else has won more than one.

Marc Marquez has also won 7 sprint races, out of 8 race weekends.

He only leads by 32 points.

[etusch]

Pramac Yamaha confirm Toprak Razgatlioglu MotoGP move for 2026
Toprak Razgatlioglu will move to the Pramac Yamaha team in MotoGP for the 2026 season.


https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/10731 ... -move-2026

[FrukostScones]

I really think the current situation highlights the absurdity of the points system.

Marc Marquez has won 5 feature races, when nobody else has won more than one.

Marc Marquez has also won 7 sprint races, out of 8 race weekends.

He only leads by 32 points.

At least he is leading

I think he has won only 4 Grand Prix. He fell down twice during GP and got only 4 points for these two GP.

normal point system is fine. Sprint races might be the Problem (and falling off ; P ).

[FrukostScones]

At this point, team lineups are less predictable than Yamaha’s top speed. Jorge might as well show up next year on a unicycle with a V4 strapped to it.

Jorge Martin will be 100% on Factory Team Honda I think.

And when people complain about him taking Zarcos spot, I think Zarco is totally happy where he is. As Honda "Edeltester" without any pressure he can show at LCR on the beautiful Castrol machine what he is, and at the same time testing all components for Honda on a very honest and direct envirement.

[Seanspeed]

I really think the current situation highlights the absurdity of the points system.

Marc Marquez has won 5 feature races, when nobody else has won more than one.

Marc Marquez has also won 7 sprint races, out of 8 race weekends.

He only leads by 32 points.

At least he is leading

I think he has won only 4 Grand Prix. He fell down twice during GP and got only 4 points for these two GP.

normal point system is fine. Sprint races might be the Problem (and falling off ; P ).

Sorry yes, 4.

Still 4 feature wins and 7 sprint wins out of 8 weekends when nobody else has won more than one feature race and he's only barely leading by a single race points margin is ridiculous.

It's absolutely an issue. It's been an issue for a long time, but last year really highlighted it and so has this year, and yes, sprint races are really making it all much worse, along with the super long calendar.

Winning needs to be rewarded more. As it is, the MotoGP championship is a battle of consistency, not winning. I get it might not be popular to be asking for Marquez to be dominating by a greater margin in the tables, but it's insane to see this level of domination and yet the championship still be as close as it is.

[Starscreamer]

Pramac Yamaha confirm Toprak Razgatlioglu MotoGP move for 2026
Toprak Razgatlioglu will move to the Pramac Yamaha team in MotoGP for the 2026 season.


https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/10731 ... -move-2026

Shame for Miller (none contract for 2026) he did a great job this season

[kurtj]

Marc Marquez totally destroyed his teammate both on and off tracks.
Pecco will have to start looking for a new team if he wishes to win championship again.

Marc moving Ducati and LH moving to Ferrari have so much in common, yet so different in outcome.

So sorry for Jorge Martin.

I didn't feel Pecco as a champion like MM, Rossi or Fabio. But at the end he succeed it. Now his performance prooves my previous feeling and I know there is people feels like me. But if he left team as you said, I think he will be finished. He should learn how to ride better and defeat MM with same bike to show us what he is.

It's been painfully obvious for many years that Ducati had the best bike on the grid and was constantly being let down by its lackluster riders. It was only when they created an extremely dominant bike that they finally started winning championships.

Like, I am 100% comfortable claiming that if you switch Dovi and Marc in 2018, that Marc wins the title. And not just cuz Marc is any sort of GOAT, but because if you put like some equivalent top rider on the Honda and the same on the Ducati, the Ducati rider would win out.

I think it might even be arguable before 2018 because prime Marquez was absolutely like Stoner in that he could do magical things with difficult-to-ride bikes.

Bottom line, Ducati has had the best bike for at least 7 years in a row, and the only reason they dont have more to show for it is because their riders haven't actually been that amazing. In fact, their riders have consistently been flattered by the Ducati, not the other way around.

I really never understood why Stoner was rated highly. He drove two really good bikes in the years when he won the titles. He failed to succeed the following years when those bikes didn't evolve to be as good as they were in the previous year. But otherwise, he was just ordinary. I think riders like Dovi, Pedrosa, Jorge Lorenzo and Jorge Martin have done better, although Dovi and Pedrosa didn't enjoy title success. Comparing Stoner to Marquez is really too much of a stretch.