2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

Is he going to ignore that Piastri suddenly showed a lot more speed in the last 5 laps? Everything that we can see shows evidence that Piastri was playing into the gap he had to Norris more than anything, only going as fast as necessary since he wasn't sure if the tires would make it. He had pace in hand.

Laps 39-43 of Piastri:
1:46.498
1:46.326
1:46.144
1:45.933
1:45.706

Laps 39-43 of Leclerc:
1:46.194
1:46.174
1:46.184
1:46.315
1:46.580

Both were managing, as well as all other medium runners because anything else would have been foolish.

Leclerc did a mistake at the last chicane on lap 36 so he lost his 2.5 second cushion. So he then had Verstappen between 1.01 and 1.5 seconds until the end of the race. "Managing"...oh brother. He was flat out trying to hold that DRS line above 1 second.

Sometimes a picture can show you a trend that you can't see staring at text. You can see that bad lap, and then the push (and loss of the tires) afterwards. Meanwhile Piastri was showing us that he was playing with Norris, ramping up the pace and setting a PB on the penultimate lap. That really says it all. Also pay attention to the pace of #4 on the C1 tire on a 25C (cold) track. This tire was brought here to be so slow that no one would use it. He 1+ seconds faster per lap. No other car would even grip the track with a C1 tire on a cold day like today. Wake up guys.

[Xyz22]

Yeah McLaren is in another league.
The gap will probably be even bigger in Hungary with so many long radius corners.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Vasseur said they don't expect Hungary to play to their car as well as Spa. So I wouldn't expect to be 2nd best there let alone sniffing McLaren (which they weren't doing this weekend either)

[Xyz22]

Vasseur said they don't expect Hungary to play to their car as well as Spa. So I wouldn't expect to be 2nd best there let alone sniffing McLaren (which they weren't doing this weekend either)

SPA was probably quite "kind" to the SF 25.
Maybe the best chance they have is Baku.

[AR3-GP]

Unfortunately no one is getting a look in again, until maybe Monza where Ferrari overperforms. Hungary and Zandvoort will be Mclaren blowouts. Spa doesn't even suit Mclaren. Spa is a Ferrari/Red Bull track. lmao.

[Seanspeed]

Unfortunately no one is getting a look in again, until maybe Monza where Ferrari overperforms. Hungary and Zandvoort will be Mclaren blowouts. Spa doesn't even suit Mclaren. Spa is a Ferrari/Red Bull track. lmao.

Spa definitely suited Mclaren. Most every track does, but S2 especially was just heaven for Mclaren's technical advantages and where most of the time gets made over the lap.

[PlatinumZealot]

Ferrari should have a good shot at winning in HUN.

Hungary will suit Mclaren better than almost any track on the calendar.

Their performance in S2 at Spa is a good indication of the kind of medium speed cornering dominance they have.

Ferrari did well to be 2nd best at Spa, but we're still so far off from the top step. As most reasonable people have pointed out, Piastri had pace in hand. We cant compare average laptimes like that.

Spa is very much an efficiency circuit where there are big compromises whether you go with big wing or shallow wing. So taking the compromise out of it will bring Ferrari even closer.

[Chuckjr]

Make no mistake. Macca was coasting while CL was doing everything he could to hold off MV. Comparing their times is very misleading. Ferrari is legitimately .13 or .15 slower than Macca?? Come on. This is a technical forum not Reddit.

[Seanspeed]

Ferrari should have a good shot at winning in HUN.

Hungary will suit Mclaren better than almost any track on the calendar.

Their performance in S2 at Spa is a good indication of the kind of medium speed cornering dominance they have.

Ferrari did well to be 2nd best at Spa, but we're still so far off from the top step. As most reasonable people have pointed out, Piastri had pace in hand. We cant compare average laptimes like that.

Spa is very much an efficiency circuit where there are big compromises whether you go with big wing or shallow wing. So taking the compromise out of it will bring Ferrari even closer.

Mclaren weren't strong in S2 purely cuz of aero setup compromise. They are legitimately just fantastic in such corners, and especially when there's a lot of fast changes of direction that require a rock solid front end(and rear that follows it without question).

I also think an ideal lap in qualifying at Spa here would have Mclaren more like a half a second gap to Ferrari. Sure, I expect that gap in Hungary to be somewhat smaller overall given the shorter lap, but I think the dominance over the whole race distance will be similar. Especially since Hungary can be a tire eater with the constant cornering and high temps, and that's another strong Mclaren advantage.

[Space-heat]

The rear seems to have been a jump. The only caveat to the debate regarding MCL's pace is that MCL sacrificed some setup to prepare for the wet conditions (as Charles himself stated).

This video is post qualifying. LeClerc 100% changed his car between the sprint race and qualifying. Loads of technical anaylsis showing the different performance between sprint qualifying and qualifying.if I remember tomorrow I’ll post one.

Maybe they are talking about larger changes I dunno but there was a quote from Charles yesterday saying they should not read into the 7tenth to 3 tenth drop between q and sq

[Luscion]

Vasseur said they don't expect Hungary to play to their car as well as Spa. So I wouldn't expect to be 2nd best there let alone sniffing McLaren (which they weren't doing this weekend either)

Ham thinks the opposite saying hes really optimistic for next week and thinks the car will be a lot better there

[deadhead]

Vasseur said they don't expect Hungary to play to their car as well as Spa. So I wouldn't expect to be 2nd best there let alone sniffing McLaren (which they weren't doing this weekend either)

Ham thinks the opposite saying hes really optimistic for next week and thinks the car will be a lot better there

The discrepancy between what Vasseur says and what the drivers say has been rather baffling all season long

[Seanspeed]

Vasseur said they don't expect Hungary to play to their car as well as Spa. So I wouldn't expect to be 2nd best there let alone sniffing McLaren (which they weren't doing this weekend either)

Ham thinks the opposite saying hes really optimistic for next week and thinks the car will be a lot better there

Will be a good test on whether or not the rest of the technical team should listen to his commentary and advice on what should change.

[Seanspeed]

Vasseur said they don't expect Hungary to play to their car as well as Spa. So I wouldn't expect to be 2nd best there let alone sniffing McLaren (which they weren't doing this weekend either)

Ham thinks the opposite saying hes really optimistic for next week and thinks the car will be a lot better there

The discrepancy between what Vasseur says and what the drivers say has been rather baffling all season long

I have a bad feeling all of them are not reliable narrators. lol And that all the actual technical experts in the team are like, "Ugh" every time they read such comments.

[dialtone]

SPA was the worst MCL track, they clearly underperformed by not being 0.7s ahead in quali.

MCL was so superior that Lando and Piastri didn’t even race this weekend, they sent out Londo and Piastra, their backup drivers at their first ever driving experience after trying out a toyota corolla during their license exam.

In Hungary MCL will start 2 laps ahead of everyone else in a pure display of superiority.

This thread just can’t catch a break. People see what they want to see, as if anyone said Ferrari is better than MCL.

Piastri was slower than LEC for a handful of laps in the middle of the stint, his pace was on the same pace as LEC at minimum between laps 32 and 41. If you want to pick a lap to choose that PIA was faster then choose lap 30 or 29 (PIA fastest laps until the end), choose those because at the same time LEC places laps that are 0.23-0.3s back on similar tire age and fuel load, and obviously this is a longer track, and those are the laps at which point PIA commits to getting to end and starts to save tires, since he has a bigger gap he saves more, and uses that extra saved tire at the end. If you really choose to use laps that aren’t representative of average pace at least choose well, the lap at the end is not very helpful to make any remotely precise decisions as they are influenced by too many variables.

To me being 0.23-0.3 back in a damp track at a temperature range where Ferrari is usually nowhere is not bad. For many here instead MCL is so far ahead they may be the only ones to get to Hungary in time for the next gp.