2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[Rikrikrik]

I think they used imola floor instead Silverstone, but, doesnt matter, they just change things this wekend. We finally will see "the Silverstone's package" complete in Hungary, and there they will FP to maximize perfomance and setup. If we dont move foward, its over, even next year. Because these pieces emerged from New Wind Tunnel, so, imagine. Neither these parts are working if they cant improve next wekend. Im starting to think similiar to Leclerc, but about AM ( hes thinking about Ferrari obvioulsy). I dont know if this team are capable to be a world champion, they have a Force India Aura.

Why next year? The car for next year will be fully designed by Newey. The current car has an underlying problem that won’t be fixed with aerodynamic parts: front and rear suspension geometry, weight distribution, monocoque rigidity, etc. Even with the best wings and floor, it wouldn’t get close to the top 3 because the foundation is simply poor—it’s fundamentally flawed.

Because they cant understand what they doing in that tunnel, and they cant emulated decently what will happen in the track, doesnt matter Newey or new regulation is they cant deliver what they see in tunnel and simulator with their upgrades, the 2026 car will be a disaster like last 2 years and this. They need improve with their upgrades before start to think about be contender next year. Newey is tremendously good, but hes not a magician.

[diffuser]

I really hope they messed up a lot this weekend and that this isn't our real pace. It seems like they didn't use any of the updates and everything was a test of them, if not we'll be better next week we can forget about 2026 because there's still something really broken in there.

Alonso seemed to be running the Silverstone floor and sidepods. I doudt he ran the new low DF front wing with the HIgh DF rear wing.

It was pretty obvious that Alonso was going nowhere when it dried up. With the big bucket in the rear he didn't accelerate as fast into eau rouge, Antman had this speed advantage from after turn 1 all the way to turn 5. Think this was a data gathering expedition by Alonso. Let's hope it's a it's a track specific issue but they just lacked DF from the floor in S2. Even with the Big bucket in the back, Alonso was slower out of slow corners that Antman

Did alonso change specs? thought he was running imola floor and body with miami rear wing and the front that was used prior to the new one introduced

He did, started from pitlane. I will say the floor gates "looked like" the new ones from Silverstone but it's easy to get that wrong. The long sidepods were unmistakable. The floor I will not speak to cause the floor cages don't dictate the floor they're running. Nobody sees the floors.

[zoroastar]

I think they used imola floor instead Silverstone, but, doesnt matter, they just change things this wekend. We finally will see "the Silverstone's package" complete in Hungary, and there they will FP to maximize perfomance and setup. If we dont move foward, its over, even next year. Because these pieces emerged from New Wind Tunnel, so, imagine. Neither these parts are working if they cant improve next wekend. Im starting to think similiar to Leclerc, but about AM ( hes thinking about Ferrari obvioulsy). I dont know if this team are capable to be a world champion, they have a Force India Aura.

Why next year? The car for next year will be fully designed by Newey. The current car has an underlying problem that won’t be fixed with aerodynamic parts: front and rear suspension geometry, weight distribution, monocoque rigidity, etc. Even with the best wings and floor, it wouldn’t get close to the top 3 because the foundation is simply poor—it’s fundamentally flawed.

yeah the whole "doomed for 2026" outlook is ridiculous. whether they win a championship in 26 or not, theres no doubt, the days of the team looking thoroughly incompetent are gonna be over. newey would probably build a better car than the amr25 without using a windtunnel.

[zoroastar]

i dont think this is representative of astons real pace, i think its representative of aston not knowing wtf they are doing when its time to put updates on a car. truely they need to get on top of this BS soon. if somebody needs to be replaced, they need to do it now. theres obviously some people that are clueless compared to every other team on the grid. look at what sauber and haas are doing with half the budget.

hopefully they can get lucky and make some changes that work over night.

I think Aston Martin quickly realised that their car wouldn’t be competitive on this track. Anticipating rain, they decided to carry out several tests to optimise the wet setup.

The racing team is trying to make the most of what they have. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

It is a high-speed, aero-demanding track and Aston Martin has struggled at such circuits in the past due to straight-line speed and downforce balance

yeah spa is obviously awful for the amr25. thats what i meant by saying that this isnt representative of its "real pace" (unless were racing at spa). they still suck at understanding how to set up the car and in their pitstops.

[diffuser]

I think they used imola floor instead Silverstone, but, doesnt matter, they just change things this wekend. We finally will see "the Silverstone's package" complete in Hungary, and there they will FP to maximize perfomance and setup. If we dont move foward, its over, even next year. Because these pieces emerged from New Wind Tunnel, so, imagine. Neither these parts are working if they cant improve next wekend. Im starting to think similiar to Leclerc, but about AM ( hes thinking about Ferrari obvioulsy). I dont know if this team are capable to be a world champion, they have a Force India Aura.

Why next year? The car for next year will be fully designed by Newey. The current car has an underlying problem that won’t be fixed with aerodynamic parts: front and rear suspension geometry, weight distribution, monocoque rigidity, etc. Even with the best wings and floor, it wouldn’t get close to the top 3 because the foundation is simply poor—it’s fundamentally flawed.

yeah the whole "doomed for 2026" outlook is ridiculous. whether they win a championship in 26 or not, theres no doubt, the days of the team looking thoroughly incompetent are gonna be over. newey would probably build a better car than the amr25 without using a windtunnel.

The other thing is this years regs are all about ground effects and next year those are gone. So how good you get the floor right this year will have negligible effects on what it takes to make next year's car go. Plus you also have Newey, I presume knows how to make ground effects work.

[-wkst-]

Alonso seemed to be running the Silverstone floor and sidepods.

No, it was the Imola floor and sidepod spec. The silverstone spec was never an option for this weekend.

No idea what rear wing he used, compared to STR it was bigger (so not Miami spec), which STR used.

Both drivers didn't use the new FW/nose.

They opted for a wet-setup with big wings, with the delay that didn't work out.

ALO said even on the team website that the new parts didn't work (I guess he means the low DF circuit specific rear wing, which is from "the same aero family as the other rear wings" Cowell said). Monza, Baku or Vegas will be horrible.

[diffuser]

Alonso seemed to be running the Silverstone floor and sidepods.

No, it was the Imola floor and sidepod spec. The silverstone spec was never an option for this weekend.

No idea what rear wing he used, compared to STR it was bigger (so not Miami spec), which STR used.

Both drivers didn't use the new FW/nose.

They opted for a wet-setup with big wings, with the delay that didn't work out.

ALO said even on the team website that the new parts didn't work (I guess he means the low DF circuit specific rear wing, which is from "the same aero family as the other rear wings" Cowell said). Monza, Baku or Vegas will be horrible.

Sure looks like long sidepods.



Edit.

I watched Alonso on F1 interview, after Sprint Qualify, say that they trialed the new parts in FP1 and they worked. Go back and watch it. I think it happens like 48 seconds before the start of Q2.

[ALO_Power]

Wut
https://x.com/emioderso/status/1949120498144587874

[diffuser]

Wut
https://x.com/emioderso/status/1949120498144587874

Wish you guys would read the thread before posting... Someone has already debunked that 2 days ago.

[-wkst-]

There are so many pics on gettyimages, and you choose one from the front... Choose one from the side and you can actually see the sidepod spec...

ALO on astonmartinf1.com:

We brought a new package to the circuit, but it hasn't delivered the improvements we were hoping for.

As the front wing was never meant for this circuit, he obviously refers to the low DF rear wing for this circuit, which was removed from both cars after the sprint. Both drivers ran the "Budapest-spec" FW until the sprint, but it was also removed for Q.

[Emag]

With every passing race I get more puzzled into how in the world did Aston Martin fluked themselves into the second-best package in early 2023. Everything they have done to the car from the launch spec AMR23 has taken them backwards, basically reinforcing the premise that they don't really understand these regulations.

[SSJ4]

Not a fan of cowell saying it was good test. They’ve been saying that post Canada 2023. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt since they should be running Silverstone package with new front wing this race weekend.

[TyreSlip]

With every passing race I get more puzzled into how in the world did Aston Martin fluked themselves into the second-best package in early 2023. Everything they have done to the car from the launch spec AMR23 has taken them backwards, basically reinforcing the premise that they don't really understand these regulations.

Dan Fallows adopted the anti-dive front suspension idea from the RB18. Other teams didn't copy the idea until they saw how successful Aston Martin was with it. Aston Martin also used a more flexible front wing that the FIA originally approved but then changed their mind.

[diffuser]

There are so many pics on gettyimages, and you choose one from the front... Choose one from the side and you can actually see the sidepod spec...

ALO on astonmartinf1.com:

We brought a new package to the circuit, but it hasn't delivered the improvements we were hoping for.

As the front wing was never meant for this circuit, he obviously refers to the low DF rear wing for this circuit, which was removed from both cars after the sprint. Both drivers ran the "Budapest-spec" FW until the sprint, but it was also removed for Q.

To be fair there wasn't many when I grabbed that one yesterday... So any but you didn't grab one.



Kind of sucks that they went backwards when it looked like they were moving forward..

[Otromundo]

The only positive thing I can take from all this nonsense... is that my much-admired Colin Chapman was a true genius. Even greater than all the current engineers and supposed wizards of blah blah blah. And the whole current F1 thing with its regulations, TV cameras everywhere, gossip even during races with engineers telling the drivers outlandish things, computers, simulations, and nonsense with weather forecasts based on radar data... virtual and real safety cars... it's rubbish. Sorry, but that's what I really think: they're killing the real F1.