2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[dialtone]

It seems you are speculating quite a lot (unless you work for Ferrari).

What are these many flaws in the SF-25's construction?

The flaws are apparent to anyone with a working television.

You're on a roll here with the most incredible takes of the year lately.

[Dee]

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2. He can't digest the fact that his muscle memory from decades of 'slam-the-brakes-with-steering-angle for as late corner entry as possible', is difficult to get rid of; and it pains him to see LeClerc (who doesn't have this problem) put the car on pole. It's a cruel reminder to him that if the car is in the right hands, it isn't that bad after all.

Before you post something regarding F1 driver skills, but mostly because your hate clouds your judgement, I`d recommend you see the reasons behind HAM`s struggles at Ferrari, from the point of view of a renowned specialist technical coach and mentor for open formula drivers:

Are we looking at the same thing?

All this technical analysis shows is that Hamilton cannot change his muscle memory or driving style in long corners, whereas Max, Lando and Charles have..

He also states that Lewis's self doubt at the moment comes from knowing that Max was the better driver in 2021 adding on to the fact that he hasn't adapted/can't adapt to the style that these cars need to perform on a qualy lap..

[AR3-GP]

It seems you are speculating quite a lot (unless you work for Ferrari).

What are these many flaws in the SF-25's construction?

The flaws are apparent to anyone with a working television.

You're on a roll here with the most incredible takes of the year lately.

Ferrari has failed to finish within 20 seconds of the race winning car in most races this year and there's always an excuse from the team about "potential" and why the "next time" will be different.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Leclerc is staying in Budapest for a few more days as he's doing a Pirelli test on Wednesday with the SF-25.

[dialtone]

See the forest from the trees. Ferrari has failed to finish within 20 seconds of the race winning car in most races this year and there's always an excuse about "potential" and why the "next time" will be different. The suspension of disbelief that some possess regarding the SF25 is simply incredible.

I see the forest. It's hard to take seriously anyone claiming that TV viewing is proof enough of "those issues".

Catent gave you an extremely reasonable response, there's not much more to say.

[AR3-GP]

See the forest from the trees. Ferrari has failed to finish within 20 seconds of the race winning car in most races this year and there's always an excuse about "potential" and why the "next time" will be different. The suspension of disbelief that some possess regarding the SF25 is simply incredible.

I see the forest. It's hard to take seriously anyone claiming that TV viewing is proof enough of "those issues".

I don't need to know how many inches of travel the damper has. In most weekends, 1 or more drivers are being told to lift and coast to manage one thing or another. In another weekend the car is DQ'd for plank wear. In another their pace drops off a cliff in the last part of the race (Spain, Canada, Hungary).

They finish 20+ seconds back on most weekends and they have no wins. What more needs to be said?

[dialtone]

I don't need to know how many inches of travel the damper has. In most weekends, 1 or more drivers are being told to lift and coast to manage one thing or another. In another weekend the car is DQ'd for plank wear. In another their pace drops off a cliff in the last part of the race (Spain, Canada, Hungary).

What more needs to be said about this car?

What more can be said about any other car then?

Honestly absolutely wild take for an engineering forum.

[AR3-GP]

What more can be said about any other car then?

Thread title.

[dialtone]

What more can be said about any other car then?

Thread title.

The thread title doesn't preclude pointing out low quality takes. This is still F1 Technical, not reddit or twitter.

EDIT: unless you mean I should just repost this in each team thread.

[hollus]

Gentlemen, what are you trying to achieve, exactly?

[PlatinumZealot]

Leclerc might retire without becoming champion I fear...

They really need a huge Eureka moment for 2026 regs.

[PlatinumZealot]

That's what I'm not getting. James Allison said that the potential lap time gain was not worth it when it came to the development offset towards the 2026 car. To put it simply: "It wasn't worth the risk because it'll hinder time focused on the 2026 car" because they knew that they had to focus soo much on next year especially when it also have new engine regs.

James even admitted that they would get better results with the front pull-rod because of the aero benefits it has on the ground effect. The only reason I sent this was to show that the whole pull vs push-rod debate wasn't nonsense.

Now when it comes to Ferrari, come on, I think ever F1 pundit can very easily conclude that the rear suspension is the leading cause of the problems for the Scuderia..there's no denying it. Unless Ferrari does what Mercedes did with the W13, get rid of points of downforce via the floor so that the suspension can comply with the ground effect, which is unfortunate to say.

Ferrari's suspension definitely seems to be a big problem, but there's isn't much reason to believe the push vs pull aspect of it is the culprit specifically. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what point you're trying to make?

OH okay sorry, silly mistake! So I meant to add that how the Pull-rod or Push-rod is used for mechanical & aerodynamic purposes has its benefits depending on the regulation of car. One suspension is not better than the other, clearly that's really naive to think about.

To me, James was implying that for this particular generation of car, the pull-rod on the front suspension would've been beneficial for Mercedes due to how these ground effect cars prefer to be operated mechanically and aerodynamically. But, he doesn't see any reason to change it because while it would've worked, there was a new regulation period next year, so investing too much time into the 2025 car would've hindered the 2026 car's development.

So Mercedes seen a compromise and just stuck with concept from the W15 because that saved a lot of time, effort, resources and money.

I'm sorry that is not correct.

Push or pull is the same mechanical suspension-wise. It is for aerodynamic and packaging reasons why one is chosen over the other.