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[lio007]

And the full story will highly likely never become public.

There are definitely going to be a few tell-all books at some point in the next 10 years. Too much money left on the table not to...Horner will easily pull 7-figures for a book advance

Don't you think NDAs play a role in those scenarios nowadays?

[Watto]

And the full story will highly likely never become public.

There are definitely going to be a few tell-all books at some point in the next 10 years. Too much money left on the table not to...Horner will easily pull 7-figures for a book advance

Don't you think NDAs play a role in those scenarios nowadays?

Yep, agree. Horner probably could forgo any RBR payout and go that route but think his payout likely goes beyond what a book would make.He was earning $5m + pa and had 5 years left depending on base salary etc.hes probably going to be paid at least 8 figures to be quiet.


I am sure a few little details will come out but doubt the full story ever does.

[Wouter]

Yep, agree. Horner probably could forgo any RBR payout and go that route but think his payout likely goes beyond what a book would make.

He was earning $5m + pa and had 5 years left depending on base salary etc.hes probably going to be paid at least 8 figures to be quiet.

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He was the director from 4 Red Bull companies and got >16 million a year x 5 ½ year!

[-wkst-]

Yep, agree. Horner probably could forgo any RBR payout and go that route but think his payout likely goes beyond what a book would make.

He was earning $5m + pa and had 5 years left depending on base salary etc.hes probably going to be paid at least 8 figures to be quiet.

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He was the director from 4 Red Bull companies and got >16 million a year x 5 ½ year!

He could have been Director in 23 RB companies, but is only employed at one. He earned nearly 9 million pounds in 2023. Very likely a big bonus for 2 Championships included...

[Wouter]

Yep, agree. Horner probably could forgo any RBR payout and go that route but think his payout likely goes beyond what a book would make.

He was earning $5m + pa and had 5 years left depending on base salary etc.hes probably going to be paid at least 8 figures to be quiet.

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He was the director from 4 Red Bull companies and got >16 million a year x 5 ½ year!

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He could have been Director in 23 RB companies, but is only employed at one. He earned nearly 9 million pounds in 2023. Very likely a big bonus for 2 Championships included...

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Christian Horner sacked by Red Bull

Wednesday July 09 2025, 3.45pm BST, The Times

Christian Horner has been released from his operational duties as Red Bull team principal after the constructor’s poor form this season proved the final straw in an increasingly strained workplace.
Horner, 51, who has been with the team since their creation in 2005, was informed on Tuesday of the decision by the Austrian
and Thai shareholders to end his time at Red Bull.
He had been contracted with the team until 2030, and earned a salary of £12million [=14 million €] a year.

https://archive.is/vqCzI

[Wouter]

Audi and RBPT/Ford are new with their PU's next year. Tombazis gave a long interview in AMuS.
I translated this:

How likely is it that a team will be as dominant as it was in 2014?

Tombazis: I don't think we'll see another engine manufacturer dominate the way it did in 2014. Back then, the drive system was much more complicated than its predecessor. This time, we're doing the opposite. We are simplifying the technology. Originally, we wanted to go even further, but we didn't get it through. The new powertrains are simpler. They no longer have MGU-H, and there are stricter limits in some areas. On the other hand, we have newcomers among the manufacturers, and there is always the risk that one of them will miss the mark with their first attempt. Despite budget limits and limited test bench time.

Can the engine manufacturers make improvements if they are too far behind?

Tombazis: Yes. We have introduced a program for this, which we call “additional development opportunities for performance deficits.” It was in the rules from the beginning. In recent months, we have specified how we want to handle it. Essentially, we will measure the average performance for each manufacturer every six races. For those who are below a certain level, there will be an opportunity for retrofitting, depending on how big the gap is. This can be represented in three different levels. More money for development.
More test bench hours. More time for homologation of the specification. So those who are behind have a chance to catch up.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... rview-fia/

[Waz]

A much more sensible approach this time around.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

A much more sensible approach this time around.

Agreed. The previous approach with tokens was so ill thought out and doomed to failure!!

[Big Tea]

This will probably mean that a driver who could pull out a huge gap will be told to keep the time difference at the flag to a few seconds.

[AR3-GP]

This will probably mean that a driver who could pull out a huge gap will be told to keep the time difference at the flag to a few seconds.

The FIA uses a torque sensor. It measures the power at the driveshaft. The peak power will naturally occur in qualifying.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Can teams use different engine maps to mask this if they do have a distinct advantage?? Effectively build in sandbagging and only turn up the wick if needed as the season goes on?

[WardenOfTheNorth]

This will probably mean that a driver who could pull out a huge gap will be told to keep the time difference at the flag to a few seconds.

Ah, but if Mercedes do, as rumours would have us all believe, have the best PU again next season, there will be McLaren, Williams and Alpine also using it. Quite the trick to control the drivers from all those teams lol

[Wouter]

Max and Kelly and their new friends Toto and Susie on Toto's yacht. Cozy.

[Macklaren]

And the full story will highly likely never become public.

There are definitely going to be a few tell-all books at some point in the next 10 years. Too much money left on the table not to...Horner will easily pull 7-figures for a book advance

Don't you think NDAs play a role in those scenarios nowadays?

Yes no doubt. but NDAs are seldom forever. They usually have a shelf life and I'm sure someone with the "leverage" of Horner (RBR did have to buy him out of his existing contract, after all) could have negotiated a shorter NDA of 5-10 years.