2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[SealTheRealDeal]

Can teams use different engine maps to mask this if they do have a distinct advantage?? Effectively build in sandbagging and only turn up the wick if needed as the season goes on?

They probably could, but preserving your advantage by not using it seems self-defeating. I don't think we've ever seen a team sandbag for more wind tunnel time.

[PlatinumZealot]

A much more sensible approach this time around.

Agreed. The previous approach with tokens was so ill thought out and doomed to failure!!

It was cool tracking where the tokens were spent. It revealed the engine weak points.

[PlatinumZealot]

We should see Yuki closer to Max in the second half. Mekies is making sure of this.

[Bill]

We should see Yuki closer to Max in the second half. Mekies is making sure of this.

He should get proper equipment, Max is not one second quicker than his teammates that just nonsense.they built a methodology around him I doubt they will be happy to see a guy who is paid 2 million get anywhere near a guy paid 75 million. They can't give Yuki a proper pitstop like in spa even if it's in there best interest. Pretty much all directors from redbull have resigned with Marko and some guy only left ,so drama is not over at that team.

[chrisc90]

I’m sure that Max’s team mates stops were quicker on average than those pit stops of Max.
It happened quite a lot in one of the seasons prior

[Macklaren]

We should see Yuki closer to Max in the second half. Mekies is making sure of this.

Yes, but who moves toward whom?
(sorry JK I'm over this summer break already)

[PlatinumZealot]

I think the RedBull simulator has a glitch. It keeps showing that the fastest car is the most unstable one.... It has a weak driver in the loop code methinks.
There is just no great evidence to show that this car is at it's optimum when it's at times only a few tenths faster than the Racing Bulls (a very stably car) in the hands of a 4XWDC. It means that RedBull has making crap for about 1.5 years now.
Remember there was a point in 2023 when Sergio seriously dropped back from Max.

If Mekies can somehow fix this purported glitch and mwthodology we should see Max fighting better in the races and Yuki closer to him at the same time.

[Seanspeed]

I think the RedBull simulator has a glitch. It keeps showing that the fastest car is the most unstable one.... It has a weak driver in the loop code methinks.
There is just no great evidence to show that this car is at it's optimum when it's at times only a few tenths faster than the Racing Bulls (a very stably car) in the hands of a 4XWDC. It means that RedBull has making crap for about 1.5 years now.
Remember there was a point in 2023 when Sergio seriously dropped back from Max.

If Mekies can somehow fix this purported glitch and mwthodology we should see Max fighting better in the races and Yuki closer to him at the same time.

That's a whole lot of very weird assumptions put together.

The idea that the problem with Red Bull isn't the loss of Adrian Newey or certain other technical leads, but a simulator glitch? I think you're coming loose from the rails these days man.

[PlatinumZealot]

I think the RedBull simulator has a glitch. It keeps showing that the fastest car is the most unstable one.... It has a weak driver in the loop code methinks.
There is just no great evidence to show that this car is at it's optimum when it's at times only a few tenths faster than the Racing Bulls (a very stably car) in the hands of a 4XWDC. It means that RedBull has making crap for about 1.5 years now.
Remember there was a point in 2023 when Sergio seriously dropped back from Max.

If Mekies can somehow fix this purported glitch and mwthodology we should see Max fighting better in the races and Yuki closer to him at the same time.

That's a whole lot of very weird assumptions put together.

The idea that the problem with Red Bull isn't the loss of Adrian Newey or certain other technical leads, but a simulator glitch? I think you're coming loose from the rails these days man.

It's not all about Newey. Does McLaren have Newey? It just doesn't make sense that the car is barely faster than a Racing Bulls in the hands of Max and is actually slower in the Hands of Yuki. Doesn't add up that this is the fastest philosophy.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Didn't Mercedes previously build a car that they claimed was, in theory, a lot faster in the simulator than in the real world because the car was so hard to set up?

[Dee]

I think the RedBull simulator has a glitch. It keeps showing that the fastest car is the most unstable one.... It has a weak driver in the loop code methinks.
There is just no great evidence to show that this car is at it's optimum when it's at times only a few tenths faster than the Racing Bulls (a very stably car) in the hands of a 4XWDC. It means that RedBull has making crap for about 1.5 years now.
Remember there was a point in 2023 when Sergio seriously dropped back from Max.

If Mekies can somehow fix this purported glitch and mwthodology we should see Max fighting better in the races and Yuki closer to him at the same time.

That's a whole lot of very weird assumptions put together.

The idea that the problem with Red Bull isn't the loss of Adrian Newey or certain other technical leads, but a simulator glitch? I think you're coming loose from the rails these days man.

It's not all about Newey. Does McLaren have Newey? It just doesn't make sense that the car is barely faster than a Racing Bulls in the hands of Max and is actually slower in the Hands of Yuki. Doesn't add up that this is the fastest philosophy.

They have Marshall, the car got worse when he left. I think he had a bigger impact than Newey.

[Avocado]

That's a whole lot of very weird assumptions put together.

The idea that the problem with Red Bull isn't the loss of Adrian Newey or certain other technical leads, but a simulator glitch? I think you're coming loose from the rails these days man.

It's not all about Newey. Does McLaren have Newey? It just doesn't make sense that the car is barely faster than a Racing Bulls in the hands of Max and is actually slower in the Hands of Yuki. Doesn't add up that this is the fastest philosophy.

They have Marshall, the car got worse when he left. I think he had a bigger impact than Newey.

I agree. Marshall's departure was the biggest blow to the team. We can see in McLaren that the man is a genius.

[tinuva]

It's not all about Newey. Does McLaren have Newey? It just doesn't make sense that the car is barely faster than a Racing Bulls in the hands of Max and is actually slower in the Hands of Yuki. Doesn't add up that this is the fastest philosophy.

They have Marshall, the car got worse when he left. I think he had a bigger impact than Newey.

I agree. Marshall's departure was the biggest blow to the team. We can see in McLaren that the man is a genius.

Also agree with this theory

[pantherxxx]

Mclaren also built a brand new wind tunnel for the 2024 season. With the current wind tunnel, I think Red Bull just somehow reached the ceiling of this concept, and they can't make the car go faster without screwing up balance, so they're just stuck in this position. Racing Bulls also reached the ceiling with the same wind tunnel. Car only looks faster because of Verstappen's genius, otherwise car is very similar in performance.

[Seanspeed]

I think the RedBull simulator has a glitch. It keeps showing that the fastest car is the most unstable one.... It has a weak driver in the loop code methinks.
There is just no great evidence to show that this car is at it's optimum when it's at times only a few tenths faster than the Racing Bulls (a very stably car) in the hands of a 4XWDC. It means that RedBull has making crap for about 1.5 years now.
Remember there was a point in 2023 when Sergio seriously dropped back from Max.

If Mekies can somehow fix this purported glitch and mwthodology we should see Max fighting better in the races and Yuki closer to him at the same time.

That's a whole lot of very weird assumptions put together.

The idea that the problem with Red Bull isn't the loss of Adrian Newey or certain other technical leads, but a simulator glitch? I think you're coming loose from the rails these days man.

It's not all about Newey. Does McLaren have Newey? It just doesn't make sense that the car is barely faster than a Racing Bulls in the hands of Max and is actually slower in the Hands of Yuki. Doesn't add up that this is the fastest philosophy.

It's not that Newey is the ONLY way to win, but to disregard the loss of the literal GOAT car designer and aerodynamicist and other important technical leads, and instead say it was all just a 'computer glitch' is honestly one of the most laughable claims I've ever seen regarding this topic.

It all makes perfect sense when you realize that Red Bull Racing no longer has top tier technical leadership like it has its entire past history since Newey joined. There's no reason that RBR should inherently be better than Toro Rosso in such a situation.