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[JPower]

He may feel that way, but that doesn't make it true. There are far more drivers who’ve never won a single race than there are who’ve claimed two driving championships. Plus, he’s competed in more races than anyone else—naturally, that means he’s also had more chances for things to go wrong.

Statistically, he's pretty damn unlucky. From my count, 61 retirements that weren't from collisions or spins. That's 14% of his races.

By comparison, Hamilton is at 5%, Verstappen around 9%.

Hülkenberg has earned a total of 608 career points across 246 Formula One entries (242 starts), with one podium, one pole position, and two fastest laps to his name.

What's your point? That's mainly down to Hulk not being in cars able to accomplish those heights. Doesn't mean he's unlucky.

The rate at which Alonso has retired from races from things out of his control is much higher than his peers, which would by definition make him unlucky. Now, "most" would take a lot more research but in modern times I don't think he's wrong.

[diffuser]

Statistically, he's pretty damn unlucky. From my count, 61 retirements that weren't from collisions or spins. That's 14% of his races.

By comparison, Hamilton is at 5%, Verstappen around 9%.

Hülkenberg has earned a total of 608 career points across 246 Formula One entries (242 starts), with one podium, one pole position, and two fastest laps to his name.

What's your point? That's mainly down to Hulk not being in cars able to accomplish those heights. Doesn't mean he's unlucky.

The rate at which Alonso has retired from races from things out of his control is much higher than his peers, which would by definition make him unlucky. Now, "most" would take a lot more research but in modern times I don't think he's wrong.

That there is more than 1 way at looking at luck.

[JPower]

Hülkenberg has earned a total of 608 career points across 246 Formula One entries (242 starts), with one podium, one pole position, and two fastest laps to his name.

What's your point? That's mainly down to Hulk not being in cars able to accomplish those heights. Doesn't mean he's unlucky.

The rate at which Alonso has retired from races from things out of his control is much higher than his peers, which would by definition make him unlucky. Now, "most" would take a lot more research but in modern times I don't think he's wrong.

That there is more than 1 way at looking at luck.

I think its pretty clear in what context ALonso is using the word but OK.

[zoroastar]

i mean, alonso himself considers himself the most unlucky driver ever, and i have a hard time arguing against it. dude just cant catch a break. until 2026. theres no f%^&ing way in hell he is stupid enough to quit before he drives the 26 car. if he did, he would need his head examined haha. id say the same for anyone that thinks its gonna happen too.

He may feel that way, but that doesn't make it true. There are far more drivers who’ve never won a single race than there are who’ve claimed two driving championships. Plus, he’s competed in more races than anyone else—naturally, that means he’s also had more chances for things to go wrong.

he has 2 wdc's sure, but hes also like 5 points away from having 5. youre right, there are many ways to measure luck. hulk never had a real choice to drive for teams that were destined to win championships, alonso picked ferrari instead of redbull (which was very logical at the time), which probably cost him 4 titles right there (yes im speculating heavy on that one). he then joined mclaren honda, which was logical given their history together, instead of staying at ferrari, where theres a good chance he could have won at least 1 more while mercedes were dominating. in hindsight people say he made bad decisions, or hes not a team player, but he didnt make any dumb decisions, it was just bad luck. and for sure, thats all just racing, and most drivers never get the chance to make those decisions, but alonso is in a league of his own with missed opertunities through little fault of his own.

[diffuser]

i mean, alonso himself considers himself the most unlucky driver ever, and i have a hard time arguing against it. dude just cant catch a break. until 2026. theres no f%^&ing way in hell he is stupid enough to quit before he drives the 26 car. if he did, he would need his head examined haha. id say the same for anyone that thinks its gonna happen too.

He may feel that way, but that doesn't make it true. There are far more drivers who’ve never won a single race than there are who’ve claimed two driving championships. Plus, he’s competed in more races than anyone else—naturally, that means he’s also had more chances for things to go wrong.

he has 2 wdc's sure, but hes also like 5 points away from having 5. youre right, there are many ways to measure luck. hulk never had a real choice to drive for teams that were destined to win championships, alonso picked ferrari instead of redbull (which was very logical at the time), which probably cost him 4 titles right there (yes im speculating heavy on that one). he then joined mclaren honda, which was logical given their history together, instead of staying at ferrari, where theres a good chance he could have won at least 1 more while mercedes were dominating. in hindsight people say he made bad decisions, or hes not a team player, but he didnt make any dumb decisions, it was just bad luck. and for sure, thats all just racing, and most drivers never get the chance to make those decisions, but alonso is in a league of his own with missed opertunities through little fault of his own.

C'est la vie mon cher ami !

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Well, we lost 4 points and there was to surprise saftey cars

Yeah this year is starting to remind me of Alonso’s Alpine days where only his side of the garage had all the reliability problems. AM need to sort this out.

I wonder if that is because Alonso is pushing the car harder and so putting more strain on it?

(Not a criticism, in fact I mean this as a good thing - he's taking the car to its limit)

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Interesting statistic for you.

There have been 1,141 F1 championship races and Alonso has started in over 1/3 of them (36.5%)!!

Next closest driver is Hamilton (32.6%), which actually surprised me as I forget how long he's been in the sport lol

[Tommy Cookers]

Interesting statistic for you.
There have been 1,141 F1 championship races and Alonso has started in over 1/3 of them (36.5%)!!
Next closest driver is Hamilton (32.6%), which actually surprised me as I forget how long he's been in the sport lol

Mr 1141 is presumably still wrongly counting the 1952 and 1953 WDC as F1 events
as the FIA did in faking the 'Ferrari 1000' WDC GP at Imola five years ago