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[PlatinumZealot]

My understanding from the Brembo engineer's quote is that CI allow a stronger initial bite but they are harder to heat up.

Have you ever installed sport brake pads on your road car? Or maybe tried a heavier disk? The initial bite is weaker if they are not warmed up, but if you do warm them up, they allow a very strong initial deceleration when you stomp down hard enough.

[dans79]

it's been rumored that some teams have even started using smaller rear discs.

[zibby43]

it's been rumored that some teams have even started using smaller rear discs.

I believe that is accurate. A result of the massive increase in deceleration from additional harvesting. The penalty for carrying larger rear discs that are harder to keep in the ideal operating temp window is a significant one, depending on the circuit demands.

[Waz]

Charles' strength on the brakes before Canada is the elephant in the room here.

Clearly something changed. Being Ferrari, we'll never know what. Hopefully they can resolve the problem and Charles will be back to full speed.

[gearboxtrouble]

Brembo changed the disc composition for Canada, ironically to address Lewis’ complaints. This increased the brakes working temperature range at the cost of increasing the risk of falling out of the window in cold conditions and low energy situations like SCs. I think Charles would be happier if he just went back to the Brembo discs he started the season with.

[sucof]

Brembo changed the disc composition for Canada, ironically to address Lewis’ complaints. This increased the brakes working temperature range at the cost of increasing the risk of falling out of the window in cold conditions and low energy situations like SCs. I think Charles would be happier if he just went back to the Brembo discs he started the season with.

Exactly, this is what I gathered from many sources. And I had the same conclusion as well, I hope he will try the old config too not just the CI ones.

[deadhead]

Charles' strength on the brakes before Canada is the elephant in the room here.

Clearly something changed. Being Ferrari, we'll never know what. Hopefully they can resolve the problem and Charles will be back to full speed.

Could be software since these cars are so reliant on it

[dans79]

Could be software since these cars are so reliant on it

Part of it is likely natural evolution of the cars, software, and how the teams and drivers are working different to extract every ounce of performance.

This rule set will benefit those who wait till the absolute last millisecond to stomp on the brakes. The longer you wait the more you can harvest in normal breaking zones, and the less super clipping you need to do.

[mzso]

Could be software since these cars are so reliant on it

Part of it is likely natural evolution of the cars, software, and how the teams and drivers are working different to extract every ounce of performance.

This rule set will benefit those who wait till the absolute last millisecond to stomp on the brakes. The longer you wait the more you can harvest in normal breaking zones, and the less super clipping you need to do.

As far as I know they don't harvest in the braking zones, hence the super clipping. Apparently it's more efficient to (super)clip in the straight, which also seems to be more important.
The FIA could restrict super clipping and force harvesting during braking, but the fuel capacity would still need to be increased.

[dans79]

As far as I know they don't harvest in the braking zones, hence the super clipping. Apparently it's more efficient to (super)clip in the straight, which also seems to be more important.
The FIA could restrict super clipping and force harvesting during braking, but the fuel capacity would still need to be increased.

they harvest in all the braking zones, the battery doesn't have enough capacity to just super clip.

[Fakepivot]

tires are ripping apart.. will we see 3 stops this race? last year max was going for 3 stop and might have gotten win.. hope ferrari try something daring like that

[mzso]

As far as I know they don't harvest in the braking zones, hence the super clipping. Apparently it's more efficient to (super)clip in the straight, which also seems to be more important.
The FIA could restrict super clipping and force harvesting during braking, but the fuel capacity would still need to be increased.

they harvest in all the braking zones, the battery doesn't have enough capacity to just super clip.

All the talk was about superclipping, and I didn't hear unusually high engine power in turns. So I doubtful about this.

[dans79]

All the talk was about superclipping, and I didn't hear unusually high engine power in turns. So I doubtful about this.

Supper clipping is controversial because it makes the drivers vulnerable at the end of the strait and they don't like it.

you can read this or you can look at the rules directly.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... cIpGzoWkY0

Cars will harvest energy to charge the battery when braking, on part throttle, when lifting off (when a driver lifts off the throttle early – often referred to as lift and coast) or when ‘super clipping’ (when some harvesting happens at the end of the straight when a car is still at full throttle – although this depends on the particular engine map being used, the circuit profile, and the overall Recharge energy allowance for that circuit, which varies as per the regulations).

Most of the time, the Recharge will be automated by use of selectable Recharge maps and targets so braking, part throttle and super clip will all be automated functions controlled by the ECU. The only Recharge mode the driver will have direct control of will be lift-off regen, whereby if the driver lifts off, then they can Recharge. However, doing this will disable the Active devices as well. In contrast, super clipping is still at full throttle and therefore the Active Aero will still be ‘open’.

[PlatinumZealot]

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All the talk was about superclipping, and I didn't hear unusually high engine power in turns. So I doubtful about this.
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Supper clipping is controversial because it makes the drivers vulnerable at the end of the strait and they don't like it.

you can read this or you can look at the rules directly.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... cIpGzoWkY0

[quote]Cars will harvest energy to charge the battery when braking, on part throttle, when lifting off (when a driver lifts off the throttle early – often referred to as lift and coast) or when ‘super clipping’ (when some harvesting happens at the end of the straight when a car is still at full throttle – although this depends on the particular engine map being used, the circuit profile, and the overall Recharge energy allowance for that circuit, which varies as per the regulations).

Most of the time, the Recharge will be automated by use of selectable Recharge maps and targets so braking, part throttle and super clip will all be automated functions controlled by the ECU. The only Recharge mode the driver will have direct control of will be lift-off regen, whereby if the driver lifts off, then they can Recharge. However, doing this will disable the Active devices as well. In contrast, super clipping is still at full throttle and therefore the Active Aero will still be ‘open’.[/quote]
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Super clipping is the fastest way around the track yes, but it has to be shifted in a batte as you are alluding to.

In theory the engine has excess energy or you could say less efficiently used at some points a track and in these points it is more efficient and quicker to use the battery. There are also other points where there is time loss is not great even when you lift off the throttle like coasting and braking areas. So you would take the energy at these points to charge the battery so you can deploy this energy in other more advantageous points of the track. Superclipping is when you go one step further and spend fuel to charge the battery at these points.

In a battle however, track position is becomes high prioty because the driver behind will be hampered and that ideal theorical laptime with superclipping sill never come to fruition so all that goes out the window. The trick is can you hold the attacker back until his tyres give or he himself makes a mistake or run out of energy? That's how the hugely entertaining yo-yo effect happens.

Remember extra harvest with the MGUH? This trick can also be done with the MGUK as well. I think Mercedes has managed to do this to very good degree in the race. (I suspect they have a trick-differential with some high density fly-wheels built in?!but will make a new thread on this).

[Xyz22]

It’s absolutely crazy that the brakes failed during the SC. Leclerc said 3 out of 4 brakes didn’t work as expected, with the rear ones not braking at all. Could have been extremely dangerous in a different situation.

Why didn't he pull over or go into the pitlane?

I guess because he hoped he would "activate" them by making a few corners. He couldn't There is an onboard where he almost crashed under the SC in another corner. ABsolutely crazy.

Anyway, hopefully this upgrade and the CI disks will help him. Ferrari needs Leclerc back to 100%.