2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

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Massive understeer due to tarmac pickup, missed apex by miles and locked up before hitting the wall. Not carrying any excess speed, just can't turn in at all. Nearly follows the exact same line as Lance.

Strange brake readings are due to the front left having zero grip and requiring far less force to lock.

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venkyhere
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Why do we keep analyzing the problem from two races ago, again & again ? It feels like watching lawyers argue their sides in a court. For days.

Root cause ?
- broken tarmac ?
- malfunctioning brakes ?
- driver error in failing to warm up the tyres enough, before the safety car ended ?

Yes/No, Yes/no, Yes/No - there are 7 combinations possible (No, No, No - is invalid) where one or two or three of the above can be the single/combined reason. The driver felt it was the brakes and he exploded with adrenaline on the radio about it. We all have our opinions about it. Ferrari are not going to reveal their root cause analysis. It could any/more or the above or even a 4th reason. Anything. We are not going to know.

Can we please move on ?

Jdn1327
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Toto wolff believes there is a real threat from ferrari for a championship battle. I feel the gap is still too far to even think about that. Aren't the media getting ahead of themselves a bit?

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Jdn1327 wrote:
22 Jun 2026, 12:09
Toto wolff believes there is a real threat from ferrari for a championship battle. I feel the gap is still too far to even think about that. Aren't the media getting ahead of themselves a bit?
Never say never. Its a long year. McLaren almost lost it last year as well. If Ferrari maintains this trajectory, Mercedes cannot afford to stand still.
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Fakepivot
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so according to autocar.it new engine will provide 4 to 5 hp and new fuel will give 2 or 3.. so around 8hp if we are lucky [-o< hope that enough.. also small turbos will have disadvantage due to higher altitude?

erudite450
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Jdn1327 wrote:
22 Jun 2026, 12:09
Toto wolff believes there is a real threat from ferrari for a championship battle. I feel the gap is still too far to even think about that. Aren't the media getting ahead of themselves a bit?
The media generates the hype so as to sell their product otherwise what's the point? On the other hand, we know that it would take a miracle for Ferrari to win the championships this season. It's all about being competitive and winning as many races as they can, bearing in mind the power handicap.
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mzso
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Jdn1327 wrote:
22 Jun 2026, 12:09
Toto wolff believes there is a real threat from ferrari for a championship battle. I feel the gap is still too far to even think about that. Aren't the media getting ahead of themselves a bit?
That's the media for you. Last year Hamilton was a spent force who should retire. Now he's a racing god because he won one race.

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Raleigh wrote:
21 Jun 2026, 23:19
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Massive understeer due to tarmac pickup, missed apex by miles and locked up before hitting the wall. Not carrying any excess speed, just can't turn in at all. Nearly follows the exact same line as Lance.

Strange brake readings are due to the front left having zero grip and requiring far less force to lock.
The corner was lost before the tarmac pick-up.

Sidiamal
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There was a video at one point of James Allison during the weekend of Singapore 2015 I believe explaining how much 10 HP is worth in lap time. 8 HP would be around 0.125 or so if memory serves. Not that much but every little bit helps, the gap to pole was 0.064 last week, half as much as the theoretical gain.

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deadhead
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Sidiamal wrote:
22 Jun 2026, 14:24
There was a video at one point of James Allison during the weekend of Singapore 2015 I believe explaining how much 10 HP is worth in lap time. 8 HP would be around 0.125 or so if memory serves. Not that much but every little bit helps, the gap to pole was 0.064 last week, half as much as the theoretical gain.
Depends on the length of the track.

10hp is not worth the same amount around A1 and Spa for example

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deadhead wrote:
22 Jun 2026, 14:40
Sidiamal wrote:
22 Jun 2026, 14:24
There was a video at one point of James Allison during the weekend of Singapore 2015 I believe explaining how much 10 HP is worth in lap time. 8 HP would be around 0.125 or so if memory serves. Not that much but every little bit helps, the gap to pole was 0.064 last week, half as much as the theoretical gain.
Depends on the length of the track.

10hp is not worth the same amount around A1 and Spa for example
With SM, the numbers from 2015 are meaningless!
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Jdn1327
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What is the story with ferrari diffuser upgrade? Has it been approved by the FIA as yet?

Sidiamal
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dans79 wrote:
22 Jun 2026, 14:43
deadhead wrote:
22 Jun 2026, 14:40
Sidiamal wrote:
22 Jun 2026, 14:24
There was a video at one point of James Allison during the weekend of Singapore 2015 I believe explaining how much 10 HP is worth in lap time. 8 HP would be around 0.125 or so if memory serves. Not that much but every little bit helps, the gap to pole was 0.064 last week, half as much as the theoretical gain.
Depends on the length of the track.

10hp is not worth the same amount around A1 and Spa for example
With SM, the numbers from 2015 are meaningless!
I'd think so as well. SM and the structure of the new PUs. The split was 80/20 back in 2015, now it's 50/50 the ICE is responsible for much less of the power output. How that shakes out exactly I'll leave to the engine gizmo heads, I'm not nearly steeped enough in that department to understand.

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Looks like Ferrari are bringing the engine upgrade to Austria. 4/5 HP from the engine and 2/3 HP from the fuel - https://autoracer.it/ferrari-haas-e-cad ... tore-aduo/
work at Maranello to introduce the first evolution of the power unit has been completed. As previously reported, the first package is expected to be worth in the region of around 4/5 horsepower from the internal combustion engine, to which a further slight benefit from the evolution of the Shell fuel — expected from the Austrian Grand Prix onwards — could be added. This should guarantee a modest gain in the order of 2/3 hp, which equates to 1 tenth of a second per lap on a short layout like Spielberg.
The objective would not so much be to immediately overturn the performance hierarchy, but rather to recover part of the gap highlighted by the FIA measurements that allowed Ferrari to obtain two additional development tokens during 2026. The Federation has indeed determined that the Maranello engine falls into the band of well over 4% relative to the benchmark identified in the ICE performance index, thereby allowing two additional homologations in 2026 and a further two in 2027.
ADUO: the FIA has given the green light for the introduction of the updated engines, although official public confirmation has not yet arrived. Ferrari will update (7 HP), while sources close to Audi deny the engine update in Austria.
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djones
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If the team are officially saying around 8, it’s probably more like 18.